ya these always get like this after someone admits to unsportsmanlike conduct , illegal, activity, or descruction of private property, and theft, lol.
Originally Posted by South Grand Laker
if that show was on tv im sure the fellas knew exactly what they were catching. probably guys that have lived on the river there whole lives and fed there families from. i see them shows all the time on discovery and outdoor channels. hell the hillbilly hand fishing thats on now is a catch and release noodling guide, lol. but some always put every one of them in the same group of irrisponsible fisherman. and there the ones who start the argument. everyone was being civil and sharing opinnions abd boom. post #30.
basically saying ill cut your lines and stand my ground. lol. gets others a little flamed. whatever. glad those type dont live around here lol.
well thats how strongly I feel maybe it aint right but its what I will do and done seen enough big fish lost to irresponsible trotliners .maybe not all but enough as far as pulling up and pulling a gun well its a free country you might change your mind once you see me .And I aint hiding .Unsportsman like ?? maybe to some who cares I say cut them all..... run them off .It easy to threaten someone over a keyboard if your in my neck of the woods you might lose a trotline im a big boy I can take the flaming
- Brian Martin
Like I said, you stand by your morals. I just can't understand why you would "cut any trotline" you find. I hang up in trotlines every now and then, but I don't cut them. I have cut some old limblines that were out of the water and dried up. There is a lot of work in a line and I really can't understand how you would make a blanket statement like that. Puzzling.
Originally Posted by StacyJ
well I appreciated you asking and not flaming me so heres my reason ive seen alot of trophy fish but that I mean 40 lb ders on trotlines with tides in the marsh receding and no one around to collect the fish before they die .It pisses me off to no end the average trotliner in MY NECK OF THE WOODs who has no regard for letting fish die or even not settingthe line deep enough for a moving tide so yes I do destroy them as i see them call me unsportsman like I dont really care at all .Most of you are angry with my statement i can respect that .doesnt change how I feel .Call me a low life sneak thief dont much care I wont insult you back .Any body can treaten or insult behind a keyboard its a free country and most are just wannabe badassess .at least I admit to it
- brandon clayton
in my years of fishing with those from all different walks of life i have found there are 3 types of liners/trotliners/jugliners/limbliners
1) those fishing for food is the most common in my experiences, and how can you blame someone for trying to keep food on the table?
2)commercial fishing......not saying i agree with commercial fishing it is what it is but if they do it legally we cant gripe at anyone outside of state agencies about the legal limits or lack of wardens out inspecting fishing vessels
3)this type of trotliner is hard to explain its more less trying to find out if the fish are moving into the area at all more less scouting with a trotline instead of hours with rod and reel
i personally fall into catagories 1 and 3 when i have fishing time i usually need to put fish in the freezer and i am usually also trying to fish multiple areas especially on foreign water bodies that i will be fishing rather often or will be a common water body in the near future
trotlining is very difficult when done right you have more factors than when rod and reel fishing particularly as some have stated before with other fisherman cutting legal lines as well as if you get a weight hung up on a good trotline it is a living nightmare to try and get to come unstuck or break due to the size of lines most use to tie their weights
when all is said and done its all about what they are fishing for if they have a large family or are helping those that can not help themselves and are just trying to provide food its hard to disagree with them now when they are just catching a freezer full and its going to waste is when we should all have a problem
just my opinion
- Matt Dillon Dodge
There is actually another type
#4) what i call the unedicated type, i even have some old buddy's that would go out and run jugs, limb lines, trots, or even snag lines, just really for the hell of it, basically only for bragging rights to see if he could get a big fish. There are plenty of iresponsible liners like that. if i need fish for the freezer or for instant eats i just hit the river or lake with my rods, and i give plenty and alot of fish away to people that you would think needs fish some do and some don't, and they would still run lines even if you filled there freezers plum full, so i know alot of fish is wasted. i have gave a ice chest full of crappie to some poor folk i know and they had just let the fish rott in the ice chest because they didn't want to clean them, and as for the most part , all these people that supossedly need fish to survive on, all have indian comoditie's or food stamps and meals on wheels crap anyways, so i don't much buy into the idea well i had to have fish to survive. i grew up on fish and still rely on eating fish to help out. but not to live off of
- brandon clayton
true south grand laker there are alot of uneducated liners out there and some people that make a good honest living but still have a hard time making ends meet do need to put some fish in the freezer and if you have virtually no time to actually try to catch enough to eat via rod and reel especially in a larger family its hard to say they dont need the fish to survive and here's why
not saying any of this is right or wrong but let me put a situation in front of you and let you see for yourself what i mean
Man in his 30's is trying to provide the best for his family has 4 kids a wife takes care of his widowed mother and also provides for his sister and her child so you have 9 people living in one house.....man works 2 jobs and has about 30 minutes on average each day to spend to himself or alone time the mother of the 4 kids works the morning and lunch shift as well as the night shift on fridays and saturdays at a local restraunt mother of the man can no longer work due to health reasons and the sister watches the kids all day so the others can work with the work the man and his wife they make ends meet most of the time but usually dinners consist of hamburger helper or bologna sandwiches ect more less the cheapest meals possible.........even by only eating 1 large meal a week on sunday's this family still spends any where from 700-1000 a month in groceries let alone other bills dr visits emergency's ect ect......if something happens and the man of the house cant work both jobs even for a few days in the month all of a sudden the grocery money gets limited because they dont have the money to pay the rest of the bills......they attempt to get food stamps but the state say's they make too much money even though they cant always buy all the groceries needed month in and month out.......said man takes the limited time he has in between jobs to quickly go to the lake and run a small 5-10 hook trotline so he can put some fish in the freezer and if its been a good month he can get 1 free meal more less out of this trotline a week now dont go thinking he's running this trotline from a fancy boat or anything like that its a small 8-10ft aluminum boat that he paddles and he got the boat for free from an old friend...now when this man has fish in his freezer and is enough for a month or mores meals at eating fish 1x per week he does the right thing and pulls his trotline and doesnt reset it until they are either out of fish or have less than 2 meals worth left in the freezer.........now is there really something wrong with this?
now i know this is the flathead section but just because its a trotline doesnt mean its only after flats and a large fish would feed this family for more than 1 meal but it takes alot more 2-5lb fish to make the same meal 1 larger fish would
now before you go saying oh well this doesnt happen ect ect ect let me tell you first hand this does happen this is exactly what living in my house was like and i'm not that old and it wasnt that long ago only difference was mom worked 2 jobs and dad worked 2 jobs when dad brought fish home either him or myself cleaned the fish depending on how tired dad was now if mom or dad got sick during the month all of a sudden we went from having meat on the table to rice and beans for dinner and no they didnt have 4 kids by birth they had 2 and adopted 2 that my cousin abused and neglected in order to keep them out of the poor conditions of foster homes its hard to think that some have to put fish on the table in order to survive but you just dont realize what its like until you have had to live that life
- Matt Dillon Dodge
well ill keep this one short, but i was saying most of the people like in the 95% range, there are a few people in those situations, but i think we were talking about the liners on a average. I can see your situation, i have lived like that and still do, not to that extent. so i guess if it was put in that catergory i would be one of those type of liners that would have to live off fish to, i don't eat fish just once a week usually atleast 3 times a week, and i am young to per say 31 years old and live in a 50 year old single wide, happend to be a carpenter that doesn't get much work at all to pay the bills and live in the langley spavinaw area in northeast oklahoma, some of the poorest family's live all around me, and as i mentioned earlier i give these people alot of fish and some don't even eat the fish if you give it to them cleaned and bagged. In the state of oklahoma now you can get all kinds of assistance , i would contact dhs, i have some friends that claim about 7 in the family household and get close to 1100 a month on food stamps, not to mention crap loads of commodoties from the cherokee's. And when times really get bad there's places like the blue house and local churches that help, how do i know? I've been stuck out here in these hills during week long snow storms and ice storms, ect... in the cold winters, several times. Hope the thread didn't get to far out there
- Brian Martin
I guess if I saw a line in the mud I would probably do something. Here, we are required to place our names and adresses on the lines. I also place a phone number . Next time, before cutting the line, maybe check and see if there is some contact information on it and call the guy (or girl) and let them know there is a problem. They may come out and fix it right then. Just saying they may not realize they are screwing up. Once you confirm they are turds, handle it anyway you want.
As you have found out, there are some serious opinions out there! Good luck, Brian
- brandon clayton
that was my whole point matt it may not happen alot but it does happen and each states agency's are different as far as who gets help then you also have those that are honestly just too dang stubborn to try and get any assistance as they are too proud to accept it