Kansas Concealed Weapons Permit

[Chris]

Has anybody heard any news on the concealed weapons permit? I know that they are trying to pass a law that we can carry with the required paper work and what not.

chris

[KC Jayhawk 78]

I havent heard anything yet Chris.

[warcraft1975]

i think its still up in the air chris, ihope it come through , i will be getting on

[tackleman]

I didn't know they were trying to pass it again. We've came so close only to have 2 governers veto it. Will have to check the Kansas site and see. Chris are you still coming home in Sept?

[Chris]

Yep I should still be moving back to Kansas in Sept, but first I have to sell this house, buy another house, find a job, and move. I got a lot of irons in the fire right now.

chris

[tackleman]

Have you got an idea of where your going to live? I'm in Olathe and always looking for someone to fish with.I browsed the Kansas Gov. site and could not find anything on the CWP. If there is anything they are keeping it low profile.

[KC Jayhawk 78]

Chris , I could probably get you on out here in Olathe at Tyson Foods. Got any forklift/reachlift experience?

[Chris]

Yeah
I've got some fork lift experience but I dont have anything documenting my experience though. I am looking for a job that starts out around 15.00 or higher per hour. There are a couple of companies that I am looking into Black and Veatch and Aerotek. I have 5 years of Safety Managment, 4 years of Hazardous Waste Management, work center supervisor, etc... I have a lot more items that I could write down but it would take me awhile.

chris

[KC Jayhawk 78]

Tyson only starts at about 12 per hour. Good luck finding a job. When you get back in Sept. maybe we can hit the MDC river. :)

[Chris]

Sounds like a good plan to me, the spot that I fish is kinda of hard to get too, the bank is extremely steep and can be very muddy but if the river is at the right level, you make your way down the steep inbankment and it will level off for about 6 feet just enough to set your gear down and a little bit of room.

chris

[KC Jayhawk 78]

Chris ,
Have you ever fished the low water dam at Ottawa? or under the old railroad bridge about 50 yds downstream from the LWD? Both good spots.

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Or what about the LWD at Osawatomie?
I know of a couple other holes just outside of Ottawa also. One of them is awesome , about a 30 ft deep hole. Impossible to cast to though, too many low hanging trees. Banks too steep to fish down there. You can barely see it from where we fish. If we had a small john boat or something we could get down there right on top of that hole. I probably wont have a boat till may'07.

[Chris]

The spot that I fish is off of Columbia Rd, I am not for sure about the street number, its in the 300's

chris

[KC Jayhawk 78]

Chris , that spot your talking about , is it in Ottawa ?

[Chris]

NO, its outside of Paola about 10miles. I know for a fact that you drive past the recycle center or some type of waste site and you follow that road all the way down till it makes a T and take a left and the road will split take the right and go down that road a ways and I believe that you cross the river twice then the road will curve to the right but take the little gravel road straight then turn left then make a right and follow that road all the way down until it ends its only about a mile or so. There is a sign that says "Minmiunm Maintanence Road Travel at you own risk" The few times I have been down it, the road is still in good condition. There will be a bridge at the end of the road. I asked the guy that lives in the house up the road, if he would mind if I fished down there, he said that he thought that it would be ok just stay on the left side of the bridge though.

chris

[Chris]

Hopefully, that I will be purchasing a boat some time this year, I am looking for a decent size boat that I can take out on the Kansas and Mo rivers. I like to be very carefull around the MDR areas because I dont like the MDR with out permission from a land owner first.

chris

[kscathunter]

Chris ,
Have you ever fished the low water dam at Ottawa? or under the old railroad bridge about 50 yds downstream from the LWD? Both good spots.
Or what about the LWD at Osawatomie?
I know of a couple other holes just outside of Ottawa also. One of them is awesome , about a 30 ft deep hole. Impossible to cast to though, too many low hanging trees. Banks too steep to fish down there. You can barely see it from where we fish. If we had a small john boat or something we could get down there right on top of that hole. I probably wont have a boat till may'07. I have fished about anywere you can fish on the mdr on public property (near by). I think i know were you are talking about outside ottawa. Is it on the n.west side of town on a min mant road? I would really like to try in town above the 68 bridge were that little creek or drain is but they have a limited acces road with sighns posted. do they let people drive on this road w. permission?

[Chris]

They should because its still county property but the county has to put the signs up because they do not maintain the roads since it would be a waste of their time since the bridge is out.

chris

[Chris]

Alright, I believe that I found the place that I fish, its about 351st and Columbia. Its directly east of Osawatomie and directly south of Paola. You get there by taking 169 south to the Exit to Osawatomie(should be 347th st) take a left following 347th until it ends, it should end at Hedge Ln. Then take a right, the road will curve just a bit, take the first left, its also called hedge Ln. Take a right onto 351th st. Now I cant remeber if you turn right on Columbia or go straight but I think that I got you in the general area. You will see a road with grass down the middle of it that will lead to the bridge.

Hope this helps
chris

[kscathunter]

I'm sorry I guess I was not being specific enough. The place I was wanting to try is in ottawa. If you head into town driving west on 68, go strait through the light and over the river to the right there is a small creek about 150yds.from the bridge. they have the banks raised on the sides of the river and on top of the bank on the east side their is a gravel path they have made. were you get on the gravle path they have sighns up saying something about access by permission only or something like that.

[AC1108]

I have only fished the MDC one time in Ottawa by the sewer treatment plant with excellent results. I was pretty suprised that that small body of water could hold that size of fish. They were only in the 10lb range but much more than what I expected.

[Chris]

I have caught 20's and 30's out of the MDR using goldfish.

chris

[fwmud]

Chris go to this website. They cover the whole US and might have some info for ya.
It's;
packing.org.
It'll also give you a list of states that honour your future permit.

[Catfish Fever]

Chris, read an article in the local rag, it's kinda sounding as though it might make it. The article said, they're going to make it strong enough where the Gov can't veto it. They're just working on possible restrictions. If it passes, I'll try to be at the head of the line here. An application fee of $150 and a mandatory 8 hour class, and shooting requirements were also mentioned.

[AC1108]

FWMud, Excellent site. Thanks for posting it. After reading it I see that Missouri's permit doesn't really hold much ground in other states but any Joe Schmo from another state can carry here. Hopefully Kansas and Missouri will have a reciprical agreement since these are the areas I spend 99.9% of my time. I'll be a regular on that site now. Thanks again.

[Chris]

Good News about the CWP. Heres the link
chris

http://kctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4482286

[Catfish Fever]

Read that in tonights rag Chris, maybe this time it'll fly, sure hope so.

[kscathunter]

that article was a good one I agree 100% with the hurdles to get it. Thats not the kind of thing to just hand out to everybody with $150. >-------:eek: I get one If I had the $$.

[warcraft1975]

so they might let kansas do it huh?i hope so i would like to be able to carry legally when i am out fishing at night.

[Chris]

The main reason why I want to get the CWP is going fishing in the not soo good parts of the Kansas and just to have it on me for general protection. I will either being carry a compact .380 or 9mm.

chris

[warcraft1975]

anything new on this subject? is it still being debated?

[Chris]

I havent heard any news yet, hopefully it passes.

chris

[sparky806]

Kansas law already allows unconcealed carry of handguns. Just be sure to check local city laws. I carry while I am on the river (Kaw Point), and have never had a problem with the park ranger or KCK PD. I just make sure they know I have a weapon on me if they come around. Kansas game laws make it legal to carry while involved in any legal hunting or fishing activities. In fact, I live in Shawnee, and the city council just refused to change a city law that allows the unconcealed carry of any firearm. I can walk down Shawnee Mission Parkway carrying my 30-30 if I wanted too and not be breaking the law. On the MO. side, we can carry unconcealed in a vehicle, including a boat and be legal. I am hoping for concealed carry though.
Richard

[Jayhawkguy]

Yes your correct, but what they are currently trying to pass is that you can carry anywhere, in the store, out to eat or where ever, so long as your not a felon, have a permit and proper training. I highly dought it will ever pass under are current govenor though. She has vetod it once already and has vowed to veto anything like it again.

[Catchinbiguns]

Man that's just the news I wated to hear. Thanks for keeping us posted.

[warcraft1975]

Concealed carry bill advanced
J-W Staff Reports

Monday, March 13, 2006

House members today advanced a bill that would allow Kansans to carry concealed guns.

The measure, forwarded on a voice vote, requires another vote in the House, which will be made Tuesday.

It is expected to pass, and then would go back to the Senate for consideration of changes made to the bill in a House committee.

The Senate sponsor, Phil Journey, R-Haysville, said he would ask the Senate to accept the House changes. If the Senate agreed, the measure would be sent to Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who vetoed a similar bill in 2004

Supporters of the bill, led by Rep. Candy Ruff, D-Leavenworth, hope to persuade a few more legislators to vote for the measure to override another possible veto.

Under the bill, Kansans who are 21 or older and U.S. citizens could obtain a four-year concealed carry permit by filling out an application with the local sheriff and paying a fee of up to $150.

The attorney general’s office would issue the permits after conducting background checks to eliminate those with a felony record, a history of mental illness, drug or alcohol addiction, or a physical infirmity that would prevent safe handling of a weapon.

Permit applicants would be required to complete an eight-hour safety and training course by a firearms instructor certified by the attorney general or the National Rifle Assn.

[warcraft1975]

from todays paper,looks like it just might happen:)

[Catchinbiguns]

This is just the news I wanted to hear.

[kscathunter]

I'm happy with the fact that I can open carry when involved in legal fishing activitys I'll be shure to ALWAYS have a r&r and my fishing lisens with me :) . Yes I'm going fishing

[bigflathunter]

The senate passed it yesterday. Both the house and the senate passed it with a large enough majority that if the governor vetoes it, they can overturn the veto if all of the "Yes" votes will still vote "yes" to overturn the veto. It will be on the governor's desk in a day or two.

The restrictions are that you cannot carry in a house of worship, in a courthouse, or other businesses that restrict the carry of weapons. Meaning that Dillon's can say they won't let you carry in their store, or WalMart can say they won't allow you to carry. But otherwise, public places you can carry. I sure hope it passes.

[center12]

I too hope it passes, but will be interested to see how many of those 150$ permits they sell. Other than in a few of our Metro area's(dam few), KS isn't exactly a dangerous place to live or need a concealed firearm.

Don't get to excited Aaron, Liberal Lawrence will probably ban all CC even if it's passed statewide..............banning is the City Commissions specialty:mad:

[bigflathunter]

True that, Charlie. The whole city commission needs a revamp. Especially the homeless person we have running the show...er, Boog.

[center12]

The Booger has a home, I just think he's to stoned to leave the Commission room:cool: We need representation by districts in this town, if your not in West(or old West) Lawrence or Mass Street you don't have anyone that understand your neighborhood. North Lawrence is almost a separate community but we have no representation on the Council, but they don't have much of a problem blowing our tax dollars on roundabouts and chunks of metal(art??).

Damn, sorry about that, better get off my soap box!!!

[Calvin]

Charlie I'll trade you Lawrence for El Dorado any day. These idiots spend so much of their time fighting and having recall elections that the ordinary citizen is completely left out of the picture. They spend thousands of dollars taking out weekly, full page adds in Shopper's Guide trashing each other. The issues they fight about are just special interest battles that only affect a tiny percent of the poulation. Meanwhile the important things are ignored. An honest politician, with his or her constituant's interests at heart, can't get elected in Kansas.
Our Governor, a Democrat, has promised to veto a concealed, carry law. The previous governor, a Republican, has already done it. I'd pay the $150. to be able to legally do what I do now anyway. But I'll be surprised if it gets to that point. Just like the death penalty that Kansas voted for and approved overwhelmingly. Now they are trying to stop that. I guess I'd better jump off my soap box and get back to looking for a duck boat.

[smallriverrat]

I hope KS does get CCW and it is not as mess up as MO's CCW. In someways it is like we don't have CCW here and finally Jackson County is letting people have CCW.

Dave

[center12]

Surprise, surprise..........she vetoed the bill.

Now lets see if the Legislature has the nut sack to vote their original vote, if they all vote as they initially did then the veto will be overridden. This should be a great opportunity witness partisan politics in action............as if thats something new:mad:

[warcraft1975]

i hope this goes through,but you never know around here

[sparky806]

The override made it through the senate, the house votes today. Looks hopeful so far

[Catcaller]

For Gods sake!! When do we vote Sebelius out???

We need to shake her off our back like a bird dog getting rid of a bad case of fleas!

I surely hope the "yes" votes stay yes.

I'll be checking a list (And trust me...there will be one out there SOMEWHERE) and voting otherwise if any in my area change to NO.

[sparky806]

The House overrode the veto. CCW is now legal in Kansas.

[center12]

Wow, never thought the House and Senate had it in them..........I guess their not all sheeple after all.

I think I read that the permits become available in Jan. 2007???

[Chris]

Good deal, I will be getting a permit as soon as I find out all the information.

chris

[Calvin]

Unless I misunderstood the rules on this bill I think we will even be able to carry at work. I think the only exceptions are schools and bars ect. If that's correct I expect some legal challenges coming.

[Catfish Fever]

WOW, what a birthday present, it's supposed to pass on my birthday, 1 July.
Calvin, and all, the article in our paper said for sure the restricted places would be, churches, schools, library's and courthouses. I'm sure there'll be a few more, hospitals, etc.

[warcraft1975]

yee haw i cant belive it it passed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i will be getting it as soon as i can

[Catcaller]

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the override went through!! All the reps in my area voted yes the first AND second time!!

Guess I won't have to vote against Mr. Gatewood next time after all...but I sure as HELL will be voting against Sebelius! She's a freaking moron anyhow. I would encourage all Kansans to do likewise if you feel the same as I do about her.

This a GREAT day for ALL Kansans (Whether they realize it yet or not)...now I can legally do what I and many others have been doing anyhow!

I'll be the first in line at the training center in my area...and at the Sherriffs office to apply for my permit.


I see a brand new Baby Glock .40 and a clip on holster in my immediate future! :thumbsup:

[retired stump jumper]

I know all of you probly know by now that the governor vetoed the concealed weapon bill

[warcraft1975]

according to the front page of todays paper it has passed and everything is peachy

[Woodrow Jr.]

This is fantastic news.I agree all states should have it.I always carry my S&W 9mm with me.

[olefin]

Congratulations to all Kansas gun owners and workers that got the bill approved!

You can see the Senate Bill 418 here. (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=7384)

[Catchinbiguns]

Thank God, niow we don't have to have that feeling of not doing the right thing

[Calvin]

The only thing to worry about now is which gun I want to carry with me. I think you have to declare which one you'll use and only have a permit for that one. Kansas politicians finally did something smart. Unbelievable!

[center12]

I can't figure out where I'd conceal one. I'm not a suit or sport jacket guy, so I guess I could get one of those calf holsters..........till Summer, then I'm a shorts wearer.

As a side note, it sure looks as much like gun control as it does a freedom of choice issue, thoughts?

[Catcaller]

I plan on getting a holster that has a clip on the back of it that I could put inside the back of my jeans or shorts there in the small of my back. A t shirt or a tank top either one would conceal that, as long as it's not tucked in.

[center12]

That sounds like a good idea, now I just need to get usable pistol. My old single action .22 trapping pistol isn't exactly what I have in mind:sad:

[Catcaller]

I hear ya Charlie...my 12 gauge isn't very concealable...and my .22 pea shooter is pretty cheesy...lol.

I'm getting ready to load up and go look at handguns right now over in Joplin, MO. I looked here awhile back...but just in passing....I never imagined that the KS CWP would come to be. (I still can't believe it!!)

I liked the size of the Baby Glock .40 ($525) I looked at last time...although I didn't much like the feel of it. Perhaps a set of Pachmyer grips would cure that.

[center12]

I'm thinking about a smallish double-action hammerless in .357. My wife will need to be able to use the gun(I work shift work), figure nothing could be easier than squeeze-bang. Rossi makes a nickle one but I believe it has a hammer, pretty reasonable also........I don't need a target or hunting gun, just something small, reliable, and with some stopping power!!

[warcraft1975]

i just bought an old police back up peice from a buddy of mine s/w .38 fixed sights no safty just the way i like em its a wheel gun so you dont have to worry about it jamming, i love them old peices

[Woodrow Jr.]

Does the gun have to be concealed when you carry it or can you just clip it on your belt when your out fishing?My weapon of choice is my s&w 9mm sw9ve for $320.00 it is very reliable and comes with 2 clips that hold 15 rounds each,it has never jamed on me after shooting 400 rounds thru it.

[kccats]

It's about time Kansas Govenment got a brain.
Perhaps now some of them idiots will think twice about
robbing, mugging or vandelising.

[monstercatin]

On September 25, 1789, the First Congress of the United States therefore proposed to the state legislatures 12 amendments to the Constitution that met arguments most frequently advanced against it. The first two proposed amendments, which concerned the number of constituents for each Representative and the compensation of Congressmen, were not ratified. Articles 3 to 12, however, ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures, constitute the first 10 amendments of the Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights.

Amendment II

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

When martial law was declared in New Orleans the Police, along with the National Guard, were sent out to confiscate the weapons of the law abiding citizens who lived there and chose to remain. They were left defenseless while the criminals still roamed free. Their weapons still have not been returned as of this date.

The registration records gave the corrupt officials and military officers all the information they needed to perform their illegal act.

I guess what I'm trying to say is don't sign anything up that you're not willing to give away at a later date. Given the facts of what we've seen happen and our own Presidents remarks that the Constitution is " Just a GD piece of paper" you may consider buying a few weapons privately and keeping them secret.

[APD1146]

I'm happy for you guys. I wanted this for years for others with only a small hesitation. The proper use and handling of the firearm, including keeping it secure from others. And then of coarse there are some of us who like to down a few cools one's as we fish. Please handle these guns properly.
I am lucky as I have several hands guns to choose from in my collection. The president passed a law that stated any retired or active police officer could carry his / her handgun anywhere in the country concealed or otherwise. Well I guess I gave away my secret with that one. I did 31 years as a police officer and have seen too many accidental shooting by good meaning people. I'm no preacher, far from it, just be carefull when carrying and handling these weapons. As I said I'm glad it came thru for you guys, especially those of you in snake country. More than enough said, I'll be quiet now.

[MilwaukeeCatHunter]

We can't get CCW in Wisconsin...darn Governor Doyle and his veto powers. Our legislature couldn't get enough votes to override his veto. Our Governor thinks Wisconsin would turn into the Wild West with CCW.:confused:

[MilwaukeeCatHunter]

On September 25, 1789, the First Congress of the United States therefore proposed to the state legislatures 12 amendments to the Constitution that met arguments most frequently advanced against it. The first two proposed amendments, which concerned the number of constituents for each Representative and the compensation of Congressmen, were not ratified. Articles 3 to 12, however, ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures, constitute the first 10 amendments of the Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights.

Amendment II

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

When martial law was declared in New Orleans the Police, along with the National Guard, were sent out to confiscate the weapons of the law abiding citizens who lived there and chose to remain. They were left defenseless while the criminals still roamed free. Their weapons still have not been returned as of this date.

The registration records gave the corrupt officials and military officers all the information they needed to perform their illegal act.

I guess what I'm trying to say is don't sign anything up that you're not willing to give away at a later date. Given the facts of what we've seen happen and our own Presidents remarks that the Constitution is " Just a GD piece of paper" you may consider buying a few weapons privately and keeping them secret.

Just think what's gonna happen if Hillary gets in the White House.....heaven help us.

[Catchinbiguns]

It's about time Kansas Govenment got a brain.
Perhaps now some of them idiots will think twice about
robbing, mugging or vandelising.

I feel you 100%. That make my day. Now they need to readjust the law making they'll give you more time for a small drug possession than for a muder. Crazy, we don't need neither, but some do change.

[smallriverrat]

I am glad to see KS get Concealed Carry. I just hope that those with Mo license can carry in KS and visa versa. I just hope that it is not like it is in MO where the counties have the power not to have concealed carry.

Dave

[Chris]

Check out www.packing.org for more information on states that honor CWP.

chris

[center12]

Ron, I agree with a whole lot of your post, especially the last part:sad: Of course, if you have purchased a weapon from a retailer your name and weapon are now in Big Brothers hands. I'm guessing that purchases from private individuals and gun shows are the way to buy if you wish to own on the "sly" (nothing bad meant by that).

I have a question............What constitutes open carry in a vehicle?
I'm not real sure I'll purchase a CCP, but would like to take the training(and my wife also) but would really like to know what is legal in reguards to open-carry.

[monstercatin]

There's some pretty good info on your question and several others you might have in mind but haven't mentioned on this link Charlie. http://www.packing.org/state/kansas/

The part that got my attention was finding out that having any knife other than a "Plain old pocket knife with a blade no longer than 4" was illegal ? I carry a Bolo tip knife that's about 14" on my pack. It's a mean looking little bugger that I keep to use at my discretion.

[smallriverrat]

Thanks for the reply and the website Chris. That is some interesting info there.

Dave