Deer Ownership

[kkyyoottee]

I have a question on this. Who owns the deer? The state charges people to hunt them so do they own them? When a deer is hit by a car the insurance company pays so do they own them? The farmers feed them so do they own them? Now I'd say the people collecting to hunt them should pay for the damage they due to cars and crops but thats just me. What do you think?

[Skunk Master]

Will... You do know that this one could end up getting moved to the High area... I'm just gonna sit back and see what happens... hehehe

[Tubby Catfishin]

Well i gotta say that I agree w/ ya also Will!! Yea think im gonna sit back and see what stirs on this as well!!

[kkyyoottee]

Will... You do know that this one could end up getting moved to the High area... I'm just gonna sit back and see what happens... hehehe

It is a simple question with no accusations!!! Why does anything with just a tad of controversy to make the mind sit back and say "I wonder get moved"? It is just a simple question. Im not trying to start anything!!!:ooooh: I didnt even ask for a recipe like Post Beetle did on a endangered species!!! Roflmao!!!:smile2:

[Big B]

Will, thats a hard one. Are we talking about free range deer, high fence deer or the ones at the zoo. lol, I was just kidding. I would assume they would belong to the land owner while they are on their property. I guess it would depend on the possession laws where you live.:wink:. But I don't think that anyone should own them.

[kkyyoottee]

Big B so if I feed (deer stealing my corn)the deer on my farm and I decide while they are on my farm to hunt out of season is this wrong? Or to be politically correct I decide to harvest one while they are chewing on a stalk of corn I cant sell, now am I wrong? If I go to court of my peers would there be 12 farmers as jurors? Just wondering?

[coble9]

I's say they belong to God, because we sure don't own em. Ya, here in ohio you can kill them on your own land for free, but you still have the bag limits. The state doesn't own them, although they are sure trying. If they were endangered the goverment would sure own them. My uncle showed me a bald eagle nest across the river. The government wouldn't even let the farmer on his own land. What BS.

[kkyyoottee]

If the state doesnt own them or feed them how can they charge us to hunt them? I would say that would make them owners and responsible to pay damages to people who hit them with cars. If I had a cow and it got out and ate 10 acres of my neighbors crops I would have to pay. Here is something I dont think people see. I will use Iowa as a example 97% of all land is privately owned. There are over 1.5 million deer so that would mean that 45,000 of these critters reside on state land. So the state returns back to those who suffer damages all but 3% of the liscense fees. By this thread I am hoping to show people why it is getting difficult to get permission to hunt on private land. Farmers are getting sick and tired of footing the bill on damage caused by deer as so are people in the metro who hit them on a daily basis. Do I want to wipe the deer out? Heavens no. But how about letting me put one in freezer anytime I want? How about letting my kids hunt for free? How about giving me a tax break if I let other people hunt?:wink:

[badkarma]

Who does the deer belong to??If a deer is on my land and I'm hungry "BANG" it's my deer and if it's on someone elses land it's their's but if it ain't on my land I don't care.

[Big B]

Big B so if I feed (deer stealing my corn)the deer on my farm and I decide while they are on my farm to hunt out of season is this wrong? Or to be politically correct I decide to harvest one while they are chewing on a stalk of corn I cant sell, now am I wrong? If I go to court of my peers would there be 12 farmers as jurors? Just wondering?

If they are damaging your crops you can get a permit to hunt them year round. At least we can here in Texas. :wink: I don't know if that would fall under protecting your property or not.

[Cathooker]

Will, I nominate you to be the lead legal counsel for deer hunting section of this website. :big_smile: You have come up with a very thought provoking point and have stated quite a good argument for your case against the state. Between my wife and three children we have had seven insurance claims because of deer in the past 15 years. Two vehicles were total losses. Each time my insurance went up even tho "they" said it would not. WHo can I sue...the landowner whose property the deer cam off of, the state....who???? LOL....

[fishnfool68]

I agree also that they are God's,and that we are given dominion,or charge of them.I also agree that you should be given a tax break for letting people hunt on your land,and I wouldn't see anything wrong with issueing what I would call a couple of "ag"tags a year for a farmer to harvest a couple of doe off of His own land out of season.As for the reality here in Oklahoma most farmers lease thier land for thousands of dollars a year,and us blue collar middle class hunters are forced to hunt public land.I'm thankful for the fees payed in by myself & others to provide these hunting/fishing lands.Our state just made another large purchase of land on the east side of the state for hunting/fishing useing money from the purchase of hunting /fishing licences.If not for public hunting areas,Oklahoma hunting would be left to the rich trophy hunters,and poachers.

[bootshowl]

Will, man you are gonna be audited for sure. LOL
All I know is it isn't mine till it's legal tagged and checked in. I keep waiting for Indiana ta come up with a fee for checking it in, while other states just let you make a phone call. It seems to be about the $buck, not the buck.
Every year it's BOHICA time. Ching.

[postbeetle]

If I as a land owner gets sued over a deer-car strike coming off my ground, as I can now if it were one of my cows, I will guarantee you that that 1,500,000 Iowa deer population would suddenly disappear overnight. There aren't enough of those guys in brown boy scout uniforms to stop the slaughter. At minimum, I as a landowner would make sure every deer I could would be run onto the neighbors. Those deer would never stop running from one place to the next.

If the state were to get sued for the same thing and lose, hunting licenses would be practically no charge and as many as ya want. They would invite out of state gun toter's in.

If another numbnuts hunter sues a willing landowner who has given him permission to hunt, and wins there will be another large amount of acreage taken out of the hunting sector. I would like a piece of the action on the production and sale of no hunting trespassing signs. You would need God and body armor to protect you from getting killed on public sectors. One of the reasons deer herds have skyrocketed is because the private, taxpaying landowner gets ripped a new one when somebody goes after him, and he won't let ya hunt anymore.

Leases are a can of slimy worms. The legalities and liabilities of what happens with those haven't been poked by the lawyers just yet. Give 'em time. Suppose I give Frank an exclusive lease to hunt, and he pays me good coin of the realm. Does that make me then the owner of what he is killing? If Frank kills, maims or puts Pete's eyeballs out because he has snuck over the fence after Frank's and my deer, am I an accomplice in Pete's lawsuit. If Frank overkills his tag and the state comes after him, am I as lessee also responsible for not over seeing him properly? Don't need that thank you very much.

After all said and done, I am in Bad Karmas camp. It don't belong to anybody, but if it is on my land and I need a deer it is my deer. When it crosses the fence it is somebody else's.

[jeffw51]

once we say anybody owns them we are going european here.we are just borrowing them,enjoying them.in my opinion nobody can own them or lay claim to them landowners,government ,hunters the very mention of owning wildlife changes everything.

[derbycitycatman]

Id say they are public property and the rules and regulations are there to protect our hunting from ourselves. In my area 30 years ago it is said that a good hunt was when you can say you seen a track. Now Im eating venison pretty much any time I want. Those deer didnt come from citizens it came from the F @ W department bringing them in. They brought them in and I trust them to keep them around. Basicly the deer belong to all of us just like the fish in public waters. This is only for free range deer, not the ones behind a fence which I think are supposed to be tagged?

[CatFishingFinatic]

If they are damaging your crops you can get a permit to hunt them year round. At least we can here in Texas. :wink: I don't know if that would fall under protecting your property or not.


You can get a deer management tag here in Iowa, but to my understanding, you can only shoot the deer, then you have to leave it lay. Thats what I have heard people say. It was also that way in Wisconsin a few years ago.

[chambers bd]

Hi Folks,
My grand baby say's they belong to SANTA :ooooh:

[boilerman]

Who owns them? Who owns you? To me the answer is the same, whoever that may be in your own mind. We are paying for a service to keep the sport alive for years to come. I don't have a problem with that as long as it's reasonable. So if we don't own them, are they trespassing on our property? Maybe the better question is our we trespassing on theirs.

[postbeetle]

Maybe we should let the Indians decide who owns what.

[kkyyoottee]

Who owns them? Who owns you? To me the answer is the same, whoever that may be in your own mind. We are paying for a service to keep the sport alive for years to come. I don't have a problem with that as long as it's reasonable. So if we don't own them, are they trespassing on our property? Maybe the better question is our we trespassing on theirs.

Who owns me? My wife, then my kids. Paying for what service? For the Dnr to ride around in new trucks, 4 wheelers, boats and etc. I like the tresspassing law statement , maybe I will have state forward my property tax bill to

John Doe
Buck trail lane
BFE, Iowa

[kkyyoottee]

Maybe we should let the Indians decide who owns what.

My Grandmother's Mother was full blood Apache so that would make me something. And before you all jump in with names:ooooh: I will get calculator out and get back with you!!:smile2:

[Skunk Master]

Ok here goes... Nobody really owns anything.. We are all just using it during our short stay here.. Once we're gone somebody else takes our place and gets to use it for a while too..

[Ketch]

If they are mine, then I agree, I am gonna shoot em. I have had to pay for a horse of mine doing damage so I would hafta shoot the deer.

Does that mean I can ear tag my deer too? Then I could sue someone who shoots it?

[kkyyoottee]

This post was to show what country people go thru. It is easy if you live in the city and tell us private landowners what we should do. The State Dnr's would be out of job's if private landowners would shut down all private land to hunt on. Iowa lost 20,000 deer tag sales last year how many would they loose if all private land was shut down? But the trickle down effect would be enormous, hotels, fast food joints, gas stations and on and on. Where is our cut of the pie? One free deer tag? $26.00 to feed the hundreds of deer who travel across our property each day? I know I should put up a 8 foot fence at $5,000 dollars a mile to keep those critters out. But wait if I do that the dnr has the right to do a survey and charge me for every deer that is enclosed when I shut the gate on that 8' fence. Yep sounds good to me!! Dont get me wrong I love the deer and all the other critters on our farm . Thankyou for bearing with me while I exhausted some steam!!!