Camo - the point is?

[TDawgNOk]

Ok, first off, I'm new to hunting. Heck, haven't even gone out yet. I'm a little confused. My buddy who I'm supposed to go hunting with has stated that I need to buy some camo clothes. But I don't get what the point is. Why wear camo, when you have to wear a bright orange vest anyway? Also, from some of what I've seen on here, people who are acting normally in the woods, ie not sneaking around, have an odd tendancy to see more deer. If this is the case, once again, why spend hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on camo?

[Katmandeux]

Dude, without camo, you're out of uniform!:wink:

Seriously, it's a fair question, I don't have an answer, other than to observe that most people believe that if they're hard for other humans to see, the same must hold true for deer.

[rich-online]

One of the things I've seen out here is international orange camouflage clothing. The theory is that the deer are colorblind, and that the pattern of light and dark prevents you from presenting a solid outline, making it harder for the deer to notice you at a distance.

-- Rich, who hasn't been mistaken for a fish yet.:wink:

[baitchunker]

aside from looking kool:wink: at the camp with the fellas.

the main purpose of camo is to break up the pattern and outline of your body. true you have to where blaze orange, and also true deer are mostly color blind. but they can see shades, and more importantly lines and curves.

if you walk into the woods wearing a bright yellow shirt with the words "i'm with stupid>" written in red across the front, the deer wont know that it is yellow and red. however, they will know that you are with someone who is more stupid than the guy who bought the shirt. they will recognize that those letters are not natural to thier environment. where as most camo is patterned after foliage and shades of shadows/ sunlight. so even though the deer wont know your wearing a new camo pimp suit, they will see that you are made up of an assortment of odd smelling bushes and trees.

make sense?

[TDawgNOk]

make sense? NO.
Not really.

Take a step back and think back to when the settlers were hunting. They didn't get dressed up in fancy garb. Just their normal everyday clothing. Same as the indians. And ya can't tell me that deer today, are more jumpy than they were back then.

[dougc]

make sense? NO.
Not really.

Take a step back and think back to when the settlers were hunting. They didn't get dressed up in fancy garb. Just their normal everyday clothing. Same as the indians.

I do believe the Indians wore hides of the quarry they were pursuing to get closer- "Camo"

[TDawgNOk]

I do believe the Indians wore hides of the quarry they were pursuing to get closer- "Camo"

Nope, not camo, solid color. Still think that the camo is like bass lures, designed to catch the hunter rather than the deer

[dougc]

Camo helps to hide the upright human figure-so you blend in with the environment. The principle is no different. Heck go hunting in a pink tutu! Won't bother me at all. (Would like to see a picture though!)

[jeffw51]

it depends on what type of hunting your doing,if your rifle hunting and you do have to wear orange anyway its not that important.if your bowhunting,and you have to get up close it makes a huge difference,if your trying to blend in and not have a deer spot you as a solid block of color.you want to have deer feed and mill around you and never see you not even in their periferal.a deers whole life and survival depends on picking out things around them that dont belong.the new camo is amazing,once while still hunting with a buddy thirty yards from me ,i move he moves once he stopped ,sometimes it was almost impossible to pick him out until he moved again.

[SSgt Fishslayer]

check it out. i have something that is awesome and really cheap to boot. get some camo netting from a military surplus store. measure out a piece of netting that is the length of your body from your shoulders to your knees X2.
cut an opening in the netting in the middle and wear it like a poncho. then get some surveyors orange paint and spray some orangs X's and O's around it. it breaks up your outline and will still be able to be seen by other hunters. TA-DA

[billNpam]

Camo is really not required but like it was stated before you need something to break up your outline. I have killed deer in blue jeans and a T-shirt. But I do believe the two most important things that you need to take into account for hunting clothes is Smell/Scent and I would wash with a UV eliminator laundry soap.

[baitchunker]

why would deer be anymore jumpy now than they were with the settlers? its not like the population increased, or someone invented the automobile. jk

i think the more important question is what, when, and where will you be hunting?

im sure if you do a lil' research on the sport you are about to jump into nike running shoes first, you will be able to make a better decision on camo or no camo.

for the record, thanks for bein a good sport. most ppl on here would have knocked the purse outa my hand by now.

[kkyyoottee]

aside from looking kool:wink: at the camp with the fellas.

the main purpose of camo is to break up the pattern and outline of your body. true you have to where blaze orange, and also true deer are mostly color blind. but they can see shades, and more importantly lines and curves.

if you walk into the woods wearing a bright yellow shirt with the words "i'm with stupid>" written in red across the front, the deer wont know that it is yellow and red. however, they will know that you are with someone who is more stupid than the guy who bought the shirt. they will recognize that those letters are not natural to thier environment. where as most camo is patterned after foliage and shades of shadows/ sunlight. so even though the deer wont know your wearing a new camo pimp suit, they will see that you are made up of an assortment of odd smelling bushes and trees.

make sense?

J.D sometimes I just dont know where to begin with you. And you talk about our little buddy from Texas?

[kkyyoottee]

I personally have various thoughts about camo after chasing critters of the woods. It also depends on high power, muzzy, or bow.

1. High power whats the point?
2. Hunting in blind with muzzle loader what is the point?
3. Reaching your treestand with a bow before daylight what is the point?

If i was inclined to buy camo it would be gloves and a face mask. Those two area's dont contrast with anything. Wear camo breaks up your form when you are walking upright? Every critter in the woods knows nothing walks upright!!

You want to harvest a deer? Wash your clothes and yourself with something kind of whatever you want. I personally just wash stuff in baking soda.

After being on farm for most of my life and wearing bib overalls, white T-shirt old straw hat I have snuck up on many a deer. Why the wind was in my face!! Next I didnt go plowing thru the woods like a bull in heat. I have had deer walk within 30 yards of me wearing my farmer git up. I know few people on this planet that can sneak up on a deer.

Wear what you want, keep wind in your face, keep yourself and clothes clean keep your movements after daylight and you will do fine. When I shoot that 80 pointer wearing my farmer outfit what will the hunting world say then? Only people going to make money off me is CVA or Darton and they wont know.

Good luck on your hunt!!

[CatFishingFinatic]

I'm with JD, camo looks cool. LOL. But from my experience the wild life aren't as afraid of camo as they are things colored non nature. I have walked up less than 2 feet to a squirrel while in full camo, said booo and he ran up a tree, luckily it wasn't me he tried to run up. I have had deer stand stomping their feet at me less than 10 yards away in camo because they didn't know what I was and they couldn't smell me. If nothing else it is interesting to watch wild life reaction to you dressed in camo. A good laugh. My sister has 2 big german sheperds, they think they are fierce, I put my camo on and they run and hide every time LOL. I don't get it, but they are terrified of camo.

[Big B]

Between JD, Jeff and Will they have covered it. If you video tape yourself in black and white wearing both camo and casual. You will see the difference. The solid colors stand out while the camo breaks up your silhouette. Your hands and face really stand out. Deer don't see black and white they are color blind. They have no red cones. With blaze orange camo they can't tell the difference between that and the greens and browns of your surroundings. Good luck with your decision.

[bootshowl]

In Indiana, ya can get away with just an hunter orange cap. And the camo pattern does help break up your outline; if you are in cover.
I got a "Marry-ing, Bury-ing suit", so with my fashion taste being on the low end of the food chain, why not some hunting clothes? Come on Tony, you really don't want to hunt in a polo shirt do ya? With some nice khaki "I'm the boss" pants to match. You can't "play thru" on the deer tee's. LOL Just remember to cut the tags off fore you go play with the big boys.

[Ol Man]

Once, while I was wearing a camo jacket, my brother sidles up to me and says "Does the army know you're wearing their mess tent?":wink:
__________
It is impossible to overestimate the immense need that humans have to be listened to, understood, and taken seriously.

[Wil]

deer cant see color but they do see different shades. the orange is just so other people can see you and tell that ur not a deer.. it doesnt really matter with deer though cuz with a rifle they wont notice the different shade anyways..

[ozzy]

make sense? NO.
Not really.

Take a step back and think back to when the settlers were hunting. They didn't get dressed up in fancy garb. Just their normal everyday clothing. Same as the indians. And ya can't tell me that deer today, are more jumpy than they were back then.

With all that hooting and hollering from the indians the deer were to scared to move. :wink:

[ozzy]

I'm with JD, camo looks cool. LOL. But from my experience the wild life aren't as afraid of camo as they are things colored non nature. I have walked up less than 2 feet to a squirrel while in full camo, said booo and he ran up a tree, luckily it wasn't me he tried to run up. I have had deer stand stomping their feet at me less than 10 yards away in camo because they didn't know what I was and they couldn't smell me. If nothing else it is interesting to watch wild life reaction to you dressed in camo. A good laugh. My sister has 2 big german sheperds, they think they are fierce, I put my camo on and they run and hide every time LOL. I don't get it, but they are terrified of camo.

Thats because they relieve themselves on trees and they think you going to do it back.:smile2:

[kkyyoottee]

Now if I was going to buy something it would be one of those swamp suits!!! Not for the deer but to scare the crap out of my kids and wife!!! Course that could be dangerous to my health since they are all excellent shots!!! Maybe mushroom hunting!! They only carry knives then!!:embarassed:

[CatFishingFinatic]

Now if I was going to buy something it would be one of those swamp suits!!! Not for the deer but to scare the crap out of my kids and wife!!! Course that could be dangerous to my health since they are all excellent shots!!! Maybe mushroom hunting!! They only carry knives then!!:embarassed:


Gonna have to do better than a camo swamp suit :shame:

[catfishcentral]

There's lot's of reason's to have camo, but lot's depends on your type of hunting. The number one reason for me is waterproof camo. Hunting is not always done in nice weather. Quality waterproof clothes will make a huge difference in good or bad day in the woods. My stands are mostly acessed by water and waterproof clothes are pretty much mandatory while on the winter water. Second good quality camo is resistance to burrs and other nasties you can pick up walking in the woods. I bow hunt most of the time and wearing a regular ski jacket for instance makes a lot of noise. That nylon jacket will make lots of noise when standing up and pulling back to draw. Camo especially in bowhunting does break up your image. Hunter Orange is not required while bow hunting also. Now if your rifle hunting where your hunting 50, 100 300 yards out a camo pattern is not that important either is a noisey jacket....but quailty waterproof clothes are important if you hunt a lot. The type of camo depends a lot of your type of hunting. I have read that deer can't see the color pink.....I can just see mossy oak pink.:smile2:

[tkishkape]

My first camo outfit was a surplus US Army issue chemical suit. I put it on and disappeared right there in the bedroom. My dog knew I was there 'cause he peeked and watched me zip it up.

I parked my truck and walked out into my favorite deer woods, immediately becoming part of the woods when I stopped. I sat down under a pecan tree and began watching the trails around me.

A red squirrel came down the trunk of the tree and stared at my squinted eyes behind the camo netting hanging from my hat. I had to do it... I returned the stare with wide opened eyes and the poor squirrel almost fell out of the tree in his chattering retreat. The little bugger entertained himself for the rest of the afternoon by throwing pecans at me.:ooooh:

After a while, I grew weary of watching the parade of deer walking through the woods so I picked out a nice fat yearling and stuck her. She never knew I was there.

Without Camo, I probably would not have been assaulted by the squirrel nor got to enjoy watching deer doing their thing.

I'll not venture forth into the deer woods without my camo.:wink:

[Katmandeux]

Deer hunting today is a cultural heirloom...we're long past hunting to survive, and for many of us, it's a way to stay in touch with what we once were, and leave behind, if only briefly, what we have become.

It's an awesome tradition, and at it's best, freighted with rituals, one of which is what we wear. Red and black plaid wool was the garb of choice for years, but that has changed, driven mostly by developments in textile technology. Now it's camo, Gore Tex, and Polarfleece.

It's entirely possible to kill deer in your underware, but to do so would deprive the hunter of the richness of this great gift, and diss the tradition that we hold dear. It would be the prom without the tux, or the Yankees without pinstripes.

I love my camo...in some ways, it defines me.

[CatfishHateMe]

your camo also shows more to. i refuse to wear anything but Mossy Oak Break-Up. My cousin on the other hand swears by Fusion 3-D camo. Its kind of alike a friendly arguement between us tho. we have out own bow brands to. I like Martin, he likes PSE. He shoots a Mossberg 500 i shoot an 870. kindda like football teams/baseball teams/nascar drivers and so on. i use it more for bragging rights than i do to hide tho LOL:tounge_out:

[derbycitycatman]

Camo just looks too cool to not wear. Most of my camo clothes are also dirty clothes, ya know going fishing in them so you dont mess up a nice pair of jeans. Usually theres a set in the truck at all times. I think there was alot of good advice about when, where and how you hunt that helps determine whether you want to camo up or not. It is pretty cool to be leaning against a tree and watch deer pass by 10-20 feet away. I think they would have seen me in jeans and a tee shirt.

[Big B]

Camo just looks too cool to not wear. Most of my camo clothes are also dirty clothes, ya know going fishing in them so you dont mess up a nice pair of jeans. Usually theres a set in the truck at all times. I think there was alot of good advice about when, where and how you hunt that helps determine whether you want to camo up or not. It is pretty cool to be leaning against a tree and watch deer pass by 10-20 feet away. I think they would have seen me in jeans and a tee shirt.

I had pretty much the same thing happen to me last year. I had just put out some doe pee. Got half way up the tree and a doe came out of the woods and walked no more than 15 ft from the tree. Lucky for me I wear camo.

[Kutter]

Tony, in all likelihood, almost all the above answers are correct. No, you don't have to have camo. No more than you have to have a boat or fancy rod/reel setup to catch catfish. Looking for an edge, then camo could help. As Chris said, it's not only the camo, it's the fact that all the positive things you would want in hunting clothes, only come in camo for the most part. Try finding a quiet, waterproof, thinsilate, burr proof pair of pants that are NOT CAMO! Same for shirts, jackets, etc. etc.

Go ahead, spend some money at Cabela's. I am tired of trying to support them entirely on my own.

[xringer3]

Nope, not camo, solid color. Still think that the camo is like bass lures, designed to catch the hunter rather than the deer
You're right Tony, they did wear solid colors. However, they wore multiple colors that contrasted, breaking up thier outline. The art of camoflage isn't necessarily colors, it's the art of blending in with your surroundings, by whatever means. It's mainly the art of breaking up your sillouette so as to look like something that's supposed to be there and not attract attention.

Alot of the settlers used to wear the old block or square patterns or plaid wool outer garments that would be similar but larger than the new digital military camo today.

[jeffw51]

i can see the military report now ,gentlemen as of 0800 you will no longer be required to wear camo after extensive research we have concluded camo does not work.tomorrow come dressed in blue jeans and flannel shirts as it makes no difference.tanks will be painted all the colors of the rainbow.since blending in is no longer needed all snipers will trade in their gillie suits for three piece suits.one soldier killed fifteen vietcong while dressed in shorts wearing flip flops smoking a cigerette with a sombrero on!come on guys of course camo works.

[TDawgNOk]

i can see the military report now ,gentlemen as of 0800 you will no longer be required to wear camo after extensive research we have concluded camo does not work.tomorrow come dressed in blue jeans and flannel shirts as it makes no difference.tanks will be painted all the colors of the rainbow.since blending in is no longer needed all snipers will trade in their gillie suits for three piece suits.one soldier killed fifteen vietcong while dressed in shorts wearing flip flops smoking a cigerette with a sombrero on!come on guys of course camo works.

jeff, jeff, jeff,

I am not talking about people seeing camo. Yes, camo works for people to not be able to see people. My question was based upon deer hunting. Especially since I will be going durring rifle season which requires BRIGHT ORANGE. Now, deer being color blind, I can see that. HOWEVER, I also know that many people have posted about how they see deer more often when they are NOT sneaking in the woods. On another thread, people were talking about driving large, loud, tractors and having them come up close, because the deer don't percieve it as a threat as they have gotten used to them. THAT was my point. Not that the military shouldn't use camo.

[kkyyoottee]

I dont care what your wearing or whether you are in military or what you move camo aint going to help you one squatting bit. Maybe if our troops werent in camo they would blend in with everyone else and wouldnt be getting shot everyday. They are wearing camo for what purpose? They aren't fighting in a jungle. I want to look like a tree do trees walk? I want to look like a bush other than tumbleweeds do they walk? Deer hunters have been brain washed!!!! Camo may breakup your body but the minute you move no deer or enemy is stupid enough to think its not a human.

[CatFishingFinatic]

Tony here is my suggestion. If this is your first year hunting deer I would skip the camo, go out in the woods set up in your stand/blind/natural blind what ever it is you are going to be sitting in and watch and wait. If they don't wind you, you just might get a chance at a shot. I believe you said you are going to use a high power rifle so no doubt you are planning on taking a long distant shot, camo isn't going to make a bit of difference. Deer dont' travel with binocs so if they don't wind you they aren't even going to know you are there. Deer are naturally curious animals, so I don't think camo really makes a lot of difference to them, they see something in the woods that is strange to them they tend to want to check it out. I've had deer react to me the same in camo as in full hunters orange. They couldn't smell me, and they didn't know what I was so they stood there and stomped their feet at me and tried to smell me. I have been literally face to face with a deer more than once in both attire. Good luck and most of all, have fun.

[dougc]

I dont care what your wearing or whether you are in military or what you move camo aint going to help you one squatting bit. Maybe if our troops werent in camo they would blend in with everyone else and wouldnt be getting shot everyday. They are wearing camo for what purpose? They aren't fighting in a jungle. I want to look like a tree do trees walk? I want to look like a bush other than tumbleweeds do they walk? Deer hunters have been brain washed!!!! Camo may breakup your body but the minute you move no deer or enemy is stupid enough to think its not a human.

I have hunted deer & turkey with archery equipment for over 20 years now. I have harvested over 40 deer and 5 turkey with my bow in that time. I can assure you that in many instances when a deer or turkey thought they had seen me, my camo helped to calm the animal enough they went right on about their business. Camo won't help hide you when you move, but even if the animal sees you move, the instant you stop they aren't sure what they're looking at. I don't think you'll get that done wearing jeans and a t-shirt.

I've bow hunted Mulies out in the wide open plains of western Kansas, where the only cover is yucca, and camo still helps you to be able to sneak closer to the animal for a shot. I've belly crawled within 30 yards of a herd of over 20 mule deer, and had a buck stand up and look my way without seeing me. Not going to happen in jeans and a t-shirt.

If you're not worried about getting within 10-30 yards of the game you pursue, the camo might not help. But I firmly believe it helps my success in the field, and I will continue to wear the best patterns out there.

[kkyyoottee]

I agree if you feel confident in camo by all means wear it!! I have also hunted with a bow for over 40 years on turkey, whitetail, moose, caribou, grizzly, black bear, dall sheep, muleys in 15 different states including canada and alaska. Did I wear camo? Sometimes. Do I think it helps sometimes. But for a guy who is going on his first hunt and may never hunt again camo recommendation is ridiculous at best. And for you that think you can only hunt in camo I ask you to look up Chuck Adams the best hunter of all modern times. He wore blue jeans, a black stocking hat and sweat shirt he holds over 111 pope and young records was first archer to ever complete super slam , only archer to have 5 super slams on all deer species. Tell him you need to be in full camo. The key is we are all different we all feel comfortable in different things. We debate which makes us all smarter. But I cant in good consicience advise a 1st time hunter to go shell out 400 for camo!!! This is a great thread with a lot of good points of view.

[jeffw51]

jeff, jeff, jeff,

I am not talking about people seeing camo. Yes, camo works for people to not be able to see people. My question was based upon deer hunting. Especially since I will be going durring rifle season which requires BRIGHT ORANGE. Now, deer being color blind, I can see that. HOWEVER, I also know that many people have posted about how they see deer more often when they are NOT sneaking in the woods. On another thread, people were talking about driving large, loud, tractors and having them come up close, because the deer don't percieve it as a threat as they have gotten used to them. THAT was my point. Not that the military shouldn't use camo.
tony i was simply trying to make a point,anything with eyes has a harder time picking out an object that blends in with its surroundings,whether its color blind or not ,human or not.i agree that if your rifle hunting camo is no big deal and its even a waste of time especially when you already have on blaze orange.i am a bowhunter and i litterally have deer within feet of me sometimes, not only do they not notice me they rarely even look in my direction.in my younger days i wore whatever i had,and i fought a constant battle with deer spotting me jerking their heads up and staring at me until they either ran or blew at me for an hour.we have all killed deer in jeans,but i have to be honest i have not been picked out in a tree or even noticed in a long long time,even at crazy close ranges.i am just a bush with a bow in my hand.

[kkyyoottee]

Would someone please clear this up for me. A deer is color blind (didnt know deer could talk) but lets assume they did tell someone. Then how would camo blend in? Just wondering? How would deer if color blind distinguish the different patterns? I mean if they are color blind wouldnt that mean all they could see is objects? I mean hell why did i spend $40 grand:ooooh: on a john deere when I could of bought a farmall for $20 grand!!!!! :cool2: Now you people tell me!!!! Where was all this advice when i went tractor shopping!!!:sad2:Thanks alot!!!:smile2:

[CatfishHateMe]

i kno ill be feeling really stupid out there this october with my 3d camo ghille jacket and mossy oak pants with camo netting sewed to them when im holding a bright gold glossed bow in my hand. that one just kindda crossed my mind as i was reading...:smile2:

[jeffw51]

Would someone please clear this up for me. A deer is color blind (didnt know deer could talk) but lets assume they did tell someone. Then how would camo blend in? Just wondering? How would deer if color blind distinguish the different patterns? I mean if they are color blind wouldnt that mean all they could see is objects? I mean hell why did i spend $40 grand:ooooh: on a john deere when I could of bought a farmall for $20 grand!!!!! :cool2: Now you people tell me!!!! Where was all this advice when i went tractor shopping!!!:sad2:Thanks alot!!!:smile2:
will,dont know how they know or say deer are color blind,i do chose every tactic i use by what i see,i chose my stand height by one simple test if i stand on a nearby deer trail and can easily see it out of the corner of my eye i just asume a deer can also see it ,so i move it higher until it disapears from my periferal view.same with camo,i have seen other bowhunters in trees around me ,and even with binoculars until they move again have a hard time understanding what im looking at,or picking them out until they move again.again i am looking through human eyes and only guessing what a deer actually sees.

[SkipEye]

I do believe the Indians wore hides of the quarry they were pursuing to get closer- "Camo"

Doug, say it ain't so.....

Seems you traded in your Catfish Avatar for a Buck Avatar.:confused2:

The troops are deserting in droves.:sad2:

[dougc]

Sorry Darryl, I am fishing this weekend but can't wait for some cooler weather to go hunting.

[Mark J]

There is an old saying in relation to how well deer see compared to turkeys.

When a deer sees a hunter in the woods, he thinks its a tree stump.
When a turkey sees a stump in the woods, he thinks its a hunter.:big_smile:

Camo is probally one of the best marketing campaigns in the history of this country.
The first camo I ever wore and saw was the Vietnam era BDU. The Army Navy stores were full of used and new camo. Some mighty smart folks saw a gold mine.
Necessary to hunt successfully? No.
It is necessary to be cool though and look like a hunter although I have always wanted to kill a deer wearing kakis, a blue shirt, and a tie.
I probally would have if I was a white collar worker.
Killed alot of deer pulling into the driveway after work.

When I walk out of the house and have 12 deer grazing 75 yards away, they dont seem to mind what I wear.

[south_va_fisherman]

without the camo on you will stick out like a sore thumb in the woods. all you need is a blaze orange hat. deer can see some color. They can see blue and purple very well, better than humans in fact. so i guess if you do not want to wear camo stay away blue jeans. scent and movement are MUCH more important IMO.

[Seth]

When I gun hunt and hunter orange is required, I don't worry too much about dressing in full camo underneat the orange vest. The distances that I normally shoot a deer with a gun is a lot farther than when I am bow hunting. SOOO, when I bow hunt I take my camo seriously and try to match the background of the area that I am hunting. Most of the deer that I harvest bow hunting are within 30 yards.

IMO, the biggest things when it comes to deer hunting and not being busted are being scent free and not moving when the deer is looking at you. I've sat in the open without camo before, but not moving, and had deer very close. If you're camo'd up and a deer catches your arm moving or something, then it's probably game over. A deer's nose is it's best weapon so taking wind directions and your scent are a big deal too.

[flathead willie]

At gun hunting ranges, I don't think it matters much, unless there are Turkeys around. They can see colors and will give you away. For bow hunters, I think it's almost a must. It hides little movements you have to make with a deer close in.

[kkyyoottee]

I personally think these two birds can and will tell everything in the woods something is here that doesnt belong!!! I was about to arrow a big buck when instead of being aware of my sourrounding a turkey had snuck on me from somewhere and as I turned to release on buck that turkey exploded into full flight!!! Red tail hawks have also let out screams after spying me!! And it took the woods along to become active again.

[CatFishingFinatic]

There are other benefits to camo vs just street clothes than being hidden in the woods. I find that my camo is more durable than my jeans. They are thicker cloth, protecting my legs when walking through heavy brush and briars. They are less likely to rip when getting snagged by a bob wire fence. They are also warmer and less constricting.

Turkey have very keene eyes, from what I have seen, it doesn't matter if you are in full camo or in jeans. If you move they can see you even from 500 yards away. I have heard of people getting busted just from blinking their eyes. I have been busted in full camo just by moving my arm slightly. If you can see a turkey's head they can see you move no matter what you are wearing. Deer on the other hand if they see movement and don't know what it is, they tend to investigate if they can't smell you. Turkey rely on their eye site, deer depend on their sence of smell. I have seen the 2 hang out together and rely on the others sences. If a turkey sees something and moves out the deer will follow. If a deer blows or runs because they sence something the turkey will follow.

[flathead willie]

I personally think these two birds can and will tell everything in the woods something is here that doesnt belong!!! I was about to arrow a big buck when instead of being aware of my sourrounding a turkey had snuck on me from somewhere and as I turned to release on buck that turkey exploded into full flight!!! Red tail hawks have also let out screams after spying me!! And it took the woods along to become active again.

Yep, it's not just the deer you have to worry about, everything else out there is capable of dropping a dime on a hunter. I've had squirrels, chipmonks, and birds give my position away. I try not to let ANYTHING know I'm out there. For that reason, especially bow hunting, I use full 3D camo head to toe. I've had squirrels run across my lap while sitting in a tree and I've had birds land on the bow in my lap and never know I was there. A couple years ago, I had a great horned owl land 3 feet from me and sit there on a branch for twenty minutes before flying out. He never knew I was there. Nature works in harmony. Disturb Any of it and you have disturbed ALL of it.

[Mark J]

I've always tied a white rag to my treestands so they'll blow in the wind. I leave them tied on all the time.

The deer get used to it being there and the movement in that spot to the point they relax. I've also put an old pair of boots on a stand I hunted frequently and left them there.

You can halfway train a deer. I've even had some success creating natural funnels that they will use.

I've hunted with and without camo. It doesnt seem to make a difference.
I would say stand placement is a bigger concern over clothing to break up an outline. If you could see my lockon placements its almost always in a blackjack oak tree that has a holly tree tree growing right up by its trunk.
A good stand tree is one that you have to trim branches off another tree to climb your tree.
I have another lock on in a blackjack that has two tall spindly trees about 3 inches in diameter growing up right in front of the foot platform. Excellent sillouette breaker and the small trees move in a light wind. The deer dont pay them any mind. A 200 pound blob hanging off the side of a lone tree just aint natural whether its camoed or not. You have to choose a stand site with a little thought other then deer sign.

[kkyyoottee]

Mark made me think of my daughter who , well is in her own time zone with intelligence. She actually one year made a dummy for me to put up in the tree stand. I put a trail cam to monitor this site. It was funny at first with pics of deer looking up at dummy then it was business as usual after 3 weeks. It was like taking candy from a baby that year in that stand.

[flathead willie]

Mark made me think of my daughter who , well is in her own time zone with intelligence. She actually one year made a dummy for me to put up in the tree stand. I put a trail cam to monitor this site. It was funny at first with pics of deer looking up at dummy then it was business as usual after 3 weeks. It was like taking candy from a baby that year in that stand.

I did that my self one year. It got me deer in a overgrown clear cut with just a few bald trees left standing in the acres of head high brush the deer were feeding in. I put a stand and dummy on a tree that looked like a phone pole in July, and by Oct. they didn't pay any attention to it.

[bootshowl]

I'm usually the dummy in the tree. Hadn't even considered a "stand in". LOL

[randallewis]

I've seen people hang painted milk jugs from the ceiling of box blinds and let the breeze move them around all year.

[Katmandeux]

I may have to modify my camo, and wear a BOSOX ball cap this year, because it seems like the right thing to do.

[riddleofsteel]

Ever wonder why the fringe on buckskin coats and shirts?

Take a look at a ghille suit.

True camo is not about the pattern it's about the edges.

Break up the edges and the form blends in.

That is what a tank net does.

[Bayoubear]

if stand hunting ill wear anything without worry but if still hunting i cammo up in a ghile suit.

[jeffw51]

i know ive already put my two cents in here several times,everything in nature uses some form of camo to blend in or escape ,fawns have spots bobcats have spots,tigers have stripes,female birds are dull in color so they can lay on a nest without being seen.insects and lizards change colors or take on shapes of their surroundings.camoflauge is as important to the hunter as it is to the prey human or not,just my opinion.

[CatfishHateMe]

its not only fawns either, its all deer, look at the colors they go through from spring to summer to fall and winter. they are lighter, tanish in summer/spring, then when winter comes they go brown to almost grey sometimes. camo is important when it comes to breaking up the outline of a person. deer kno what a person is shaped like. thats why i have a leafy wear jacket, pants, mask, and gloves. to break up my outline as much as possible.

[chambers bd]

Its your choice but everybody knows if you got the camo deer cant see you. hahahaha:ooooh:

[cumberlandcat]

If I am rifle hunting I wear jeans and a orange jacket I have seen just as many deer in camo as without, close range and far out, I really don't feel camo is that great if you are in a stand I really don't care mind you I wear darker clothing and I see deer every time I go out

[charlestoncatman]

i heard someone mention using a dimmy in a blind on a hunting website forum...i thought it sounded like a load of stinking bull....um...poo. but, after reading it here to...maybe ill put one out next summer...(obviously i trust the word of the boc more than huntingnet.coms opinion)