Do you consider this unethical?

[flathunter]

It makes me feel like not hunting agin, or being associated with the sport.

A guy at work was telling me about his adventures on the first day of gun season..He shot a doe, and had to blood trail it..Him and his buddy found it with a hind leg shot up..He told me the deer was just laying there alive..I said did you shoot it agin? He said no, we left the woods and went and got something to eat and came back several hrs latter..The deer was still alive..And still they did not shoot it..His buddy decided to try and cut it's throat with a knife..He told me it took several minutes, and the deer was squawling and making all kind of wierd sounds before it died....I was so mad I was steaming..I screamed at him for christ sakes why did you let that animal suffer like that..And I told him when he dies I hope it is a very painfull death...He also told me the reason they did not shoot it agin in the first place was they did not want to waste another slug on a stinking doe.....Damn I got so freaking mad then, I yelled at him why in the hell did you even shoot at it at all!!!!

[TDawgNOk]

That just ain't right.

If you can't afford the money to buy a slug to shoot a doe a second time, you shouldn't take the shot in the first place. That guy and his friend should have pine slivers stuck under their fingernails then lit on fire.

[tncatfishing]

All I can say is, it takes all kinds. Just usualy its the wrong king.

[Mutt]

that makes me cringe and mad :cursing: that is down right inhumane and cruel. also if anti hunting groups got wind of that it would just be more ammo in thier fight to ban hunting.

[Big Nick]

Thats just not right. The only humane thing to do would be to put it out of its misery. He does not deserve to hunt anymore if he can't spend the few cents it costs to use a slug.

[TIM HAGAN]

Thats just not right at all and maybe the best things for them to do is just stop hunting. With all this peta stuff we need to make a fast kill even if its making a second shot. The 2nd day of our gun season i shot a doe with a broken leg just hate to see them left to died like that.

[jim]

Jack I really wish you hadn't posted this story because it makes me so sick and angry I can't stand it.Nothing should have to suffer unduly and any decent human being would have finished the deer off.I have had to do it a number of times along our highways here as many are struck and nobody stops.I carry a small 22 pistol for this and carried one when I hunted for the same reason.You can easily visualize the terror that deer felt when some idiot was trying to cut its throat and I'm sure the poor doe was bleating like crazy.If I were you I would contact my local newspaper and tell the story to the outdoor writer and ask him to have it featured in his section.You don't have to name names as the idiot will recognize himself if he can read.What I hope is that when this SOB dies and his Creator is weighing him on the scales of justice that they balance out perfectly,good deeds equal to his bad deeds,then while the sorry piece of crap is smiling because he thinks he is going to heaven the deer limps up and jumps in with him.I'm not critcizing you for telling the story I just hate people like that and don't care if they know it.

[Bryan Roseberry]

That is absolutely ridiculous. I got mad at myself for rushing a shot that I missed because I could have only wounded the deer. Unfortunately there are more people like that these days. Dads need to be teaching there kids ethics, but even then you can teach em but they have to practice it.

[wolfman]

Unethical? Yes, and also completely unacceptable in my book. Sure, not everything will go as planned all the time when hunting but when the oppurtunity comes to do the right thing it is the hunter's responsability to harvest that animal as quickly and humane as possible. Its too bad that we can not weed out all the want-to-be hunters out there with bad ethics and values. The best we can do is to pass down our good hunting habits and ethics to the younger generation and hope that they apply what they have learned and become responsible hunters themselves.

[stoney]

i agree with you wolfman,thats just not excepted and he should lose his hunting rights for stuff like that :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

[Wally]

I'm with you Jack. That bunch would be NO friend of mine!!
What a BUTTHEAD !!!!

[okiecop]

I think people like that need to be used as bullet catchers. I could almost spit nails just reading about people that do that kind of stupid stuff. I wonder that if he had a broken leg and you left him in the woods for a few hours if he would see things in a different light?. Think a good slap in the head and a swift kick in the pants are in order for him just for general purpose. just my thoughts though.

[Bayoubear]

.... sticking a pin into a voodoo doll....

May the guy you work with never again find sleep.

[Leakyboat]

I'm with okiecop on this one,needs a slap in the head,another on on the side of his head,and one more in the back of the head! :mad:Someone with ethic's like that doesn't need to be hunting at all!
Leakyboat

[flathead willy]

Thats the kind of person I would like a couple of PETA people to get after!!!! I wish I had that whole scene on camera. I would show it to a couple of PETA represenatives and then turn them loose on him. The sad part is I think that that's what most anti hunters think we are they think that we BRUTALLY murder animals like this guy at your work did.

[flathunter]

Sorry about posting that story guys, but I felt the need to share it and see if you felt as I do.....It still upsets me to think about it.

[Katmaster Jr.]

:cursing: :cursing: :cursing: Man you just dont even have a clue how mad I am at that guy....I dont know him, but its probaly a good thing I dont, after reading your post. Man I wish his hunting rights would be terminated forever!!!!!!!!......... :cursing: I really hate it when someone does something like that. And I agree that he needs a slap, or two, or three, or
one-hundered, right across his head. :mad: There's just no excuse for that kind of nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!! :sad:

[flathunter]

I saw the guy at work tonight in the lunch room, and he had the nerve to come up and try to talk to me..He said he could not get the sound, I guess the bleating the doe was doing out of his head..But he could not understand why..May it haunt him forever, thanks for letting me vent guys!..I have been hunting for 30 years, and killed my share of animals..But I have never let one suffer when I could do something about it.

[Katmaster Jr.]

Yeah there's diffently never, ever, ever, any reason to make a animal suffer like that! :sad:

[Katmaster Jr.]

I saw the guy at work tonight in the lunch room, and he had the nerve to come up and try to talk to me..He said he could not get the sound, I guess the bleating the doe was doing out of his head..But he could not understand why..May it haunt him forever, thanks for letting me vent guys!..I have been hunting for 30 years, and killed my share of animals..But I have never let one suffer when I could do something about it.

Did you slap him? Just kidding, two wrongs dont make a
right.......I guess :rolleyes: :o

[armynavy]

Im so mad I can barely type this response. I cannot tell you how many times I have had to use my tag to put someones mistake out of its misery. I will not even put into words what should be done to this guy.

[okiecop]

flathunter, there is no reason to feel bad about the post. My problem lies with the guy. I have always been an outdoorsman. What really jerks my chain is when a fellow hunter or fisherman catches a major case of dunba$$ like this guy has. Makes me just want to turn him loose in the woods and hunt him down. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

[T-Bone]

I saw the guy at work tonight in the lunch room, and he had the nerve to come up and try to talk to me..He said he could not get the sound, I guess the bleating the doe was doing out of his head..But he could not understand why..May it haunt him forever, thanks for letting me vent guys!..I have been hunting for 30 years, and killed my share of animals..But I have never let one suffer when I could do something about it.

I think Bayoubear's doll is working ! What a sorry SOB that guy is to let an animal suffer like that. I must agree with Wolfman ! The best thing we can do is pass down good hunting habits and ethics to the younger guys and hope they apply what they have learned from us.

No dought, these two a$$ h=l#s have not been taught how to hunt and finish the kill.....

[elphaba7]

:cursing: I would not have been as kind to him as you were. This made me think of that movie Powder, where the deputy is teaching the boys how to hunt, and the deer is laying there suffering while he explains what is going on. Powder grabs the man's arm, and touches the deer, so the man can feel everything the deer is feeling as it's last breaths leave it's body.

I wish you could have done that to that "you know what". :cursing:

[catfishcentral]

There is no shortage of idiots in our world.

[keith113]

Flat, this is not just unethical but just plain stupid. i have a ten year old with better common sense than this idiot!!!! Maybe a Hunter Education course is in order . Keith Collier

[Catcaller]

I agree with the consensus...how could any ethical hunter let an animal linger on like that. Hell...if nothing else...if he felt he had to save his bullet...he could have simply just cut the deers throat with his knife at the least. That would be better than letting the animal suffer.
The bad thing about this is that if you were to take this to the news paper and have it printed...even though you as an ethical hunter are complaining about the lack of the guys morals...it could still be used as fodder for the anti hunting crowds fire.
Common sense and compassion should have overridden this situation...and it never should have occured. Too bad neither one can be taught...you have to born with both.

[SSG Johnson]

Do I need to commit I dont think so You already know how I feel about this.

[SSG Johnson]

Im going to commit, I have killed two does both where hit by cars and left on the side of the road to die a painful death. How hard is it to pop the deers lungs and cut it throat. I would rather do that than see and animal suffer. I had to do this last week after a car hit a small doe and broke her back while my wife and sons watched the wife said that was the sickest thing she had ever seen but to me it even more sick to leave them and let them suffer.

With that said I will tell you a funny story a friend of mine had shot a doe and when I got to him he was standing over it and keep pointing his gun at it but didnt shoot it again. I was wondering what the heck he was doing when I got to him I could see the doe was still alive and asked why dont you shot her again? His reply was Im trying but im to close to see anything through this scope......... I said let me see your gun............Put the barrel between her eyes and pulled the trigger....... He didnt say a word for aleast an hour and when he did he said........"where not going to tell anyone about this are we?" I said brother if I told someone they would never believe it..... It really amazes me how dumb people can be sometimes when it comes to killing a deer.

[crazy]

I’m going to assume that everyone here would be under assumption that even under ideal circumstances things can go wrong. In these times even the most level headed person can make very bad choices. Sense we are human and nobody is perfect it’s hard to judge someone’s character by someone else’s words on the internet. I’m just going to say I hope this person learned from his mistake. A deer in distress sound is a god awful sound that you tend to remember it. At least the guy went back and did the right thing in the end and cut its throat. But for everyone saying that the guy should lose his hunting license well this is America and people are entitled to be idiots. If that was not the case you would see half as many people driving to work every day.

[Leakyboat]

Crazy,
I could see myself agreeing with you in some circumstances,but not
this.From his statement,he had no intentions of a quick and humane death.
He had a gun,one more shot up close,quick,would have done it.I would think he had to pass a Hunter Education Course to get his license.Just sounds to me as another case of someone that doesn't need to be hunting!
Some people don't have any common sense.Sounds like he is one of them.This has stayed on my mind,ever since i read this post.
LeakyBoat

[VerotiK]

I dont really need to comment. I'll just say it makes me really REALLY mad. :cursing:

[Catcaller]

I’m going to assume that everyone here would be under assumption that even under ideal circumstances things can go wrong.... But for everyone saying that the guy should lose his hunting license well this is America and people are entitled to be idiots.
This is part of the problem in America today...their belief that entitlement is a god given right. So by that theory...nothing should be earned? Such as a hunter safety card in order to get a license...and then if he does something to screw up....then since he is an American he shouldn't lose that license because he is entitled? I'm sorry but I smell a big pile of BS!! If this guy was an ethical hunter this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Not only does he not have ethics...he has no morals either.

[derbycitycatman]

You just cant teach common sense. I hope he hears that deer everytime he walks in the woods. :mad:

[Gator]

my question to you is did you shoot him? Unethical? Yes, and also completely unacceptable in my book and that guy is not a hunter he is a JACK BASS if you ask me.

[crazy]

Catcaller, Leakyboat..
You both bring up very good points about passing hunter safety classes but you both forget something. A lot of states grandfather everyone from a certain date. So I'm guessing he never had to take one. Having no ethics or morals is not always breaking laws. So I just skimmed threw Missouri’s hunting laws sense people been mentioning laws and all that such. I see no ware in it where it says you can NOT shoot a deer then come back 2 hours later and finish Killing it. I'll keep on looking though. On 2nd thought I give up looking.. You SHOW ME heh how do you like that I’m from Missouri so you know. A right to hunt that’s kind of a touch subject how many of you earned that right threw wildlife management before you started hunting? Probably none you all started hunting with that right and went from there....

[BigTattoo]

Let me start off by saying that I did not read every post on this topic as it made me so angry. I love to hunt and my fiancee is always asking me how I can kill a beautiful animal. Well, myself, I don't have a problem killing anything that I will eat. I tell her that, and I think she kind of understands. I don't kill any animal for fun, but I do take the time and have the patience when I'm going to harvest the animal to be sure I have a clear shot and always shoot for a kill zone. If I had a dollar for every deer I passed up because I didn't have a clear shot at what I felt was a definite kill zone, I would definitely order a couple of ambassador 6500's. I do not believe in any animal (deer, rabbits, etc.) having to suffer in any way, and if I ever see anyone else watch an animal go through pain because they didn't want to spend a few cents on an extra slug, I will definitely make sure they don't ever do it again. I might even give them a couple of slugs of my own. People like that shouldn't be allowed to hunt. They're the kind of people that give hunters a bad name. I apologize for going on and on, and I will stop now and try not to lose any sleep tonight, although I probably will. If it was up to me, I would say give me his address and I'll put my fiancee on him.

Thanks,
BigTattoo

[T-Bone]

Very good post Wolfman, I agree with ya all the way. I wish I could of posted that way, instead, I vented.......

[teaysvalleyguy]

Yeah, that is very inhumane. Always put the animal down as fast as possible. Grandpa taught me this at a very young age, would chop down on the back of a squirrels neck if he was still alive. Told me boy, never let em suffer, kill em quick. Some people just do not have morals I guess.

[THE FISH WHISPER'ER]

thats just sickening!

[nosnag]

This guy was'nt just unethical, he is what the anti-hunting groups use as a "typical hunter" stereotype.To me he is'nt a hunter at all,just an idiot with a gun and hunting license.Too bad you do'nt have to take a sanity test to get to hunt.This guy would surely fail.If you ca'nt respect the life of an animal you ca'nt respect life at all.
Bill

[Catcaller]

Having no ethics or morals is not always breaking laws. So I just skimmed threw Missouri’s hunting laws sense people been mentioning laws and all that such. I see no ware in it where it says you can NOT shoot a deer then come back 2 hours later and finish Killing it....... A right to hunt that’s kind of a touch subject how many of you earned that right threw wildlife management before you started hunting? Probably none you all started hunting with that right and went from there....
I am a Kansas resident...and I'll guarantee that over here if you shoot a deer and walk away from it...returning later to supposedly tag it...and are observed by a game warden in the act...then you're going to be cited for "failure to tag A deer IMMEDIATELY." The guy already found the deer that he shot. He is now responsible to dispatch the deer and tag it. If he walks away from it without tagging it then...how is the game warden supposed to know that he intends to return and tag it later? He may just be waiting for the coast to clear so he can return and retrieve the deer without having to tag it as far as he is concerned. He might be just planning on leaving the deer to rot because he is too lazy to clean the deer, or doesn't want to waste his tag on a "lowly" doe. If thats the case a second violation has also occured...No person in Kansas is allowed to let "wanton waste" occur. That includes not cleaning the fish you have on your stringer and instead throwing them in a ditch...only taking the breast meat out of an upland bird and leaving the legs and wings...and shooting something and knowingly letting it sit and rot on the ground.
Now...I don't puport to be an expert on Missouri hunting laws...but I'd be willing to bet sight unseen that the Missouri statutes include laws against knowingly and purposefully walking away from a downed game animal without first applying your tag on the animals carcass in a specific manner....as well as wanton waste.
As far as hunting being a "Right"...I think a valid comparison would be a driver license. Anybody who has ever been on the wrong side of our traffic laws knows firsthand that having a drivers license is not a "Right." It is a privelage...one that can be taken away if the laws are not followed. Ask any poacher that is caught...their hunting or fishing license can be and sometimes is revoked for a period of time that is left up to the judge.
And by the way...I was brought up to hunt and fish by my grandfather...after instruction by example and my successful passing of a Kansas hunter safety class back in 1979...I have hunted on my own for 25 years. I took the test a second time 5 years ago when I took my son to his first hunters safety class...and he scored 100%...just like I did both times I took it. It was an easy test after my grandfather had already taught me the proper way to act well before I was ever in that classroom.

[Bayoubear]

as told to me by my late father when i was ??? maybe five or six with my first squirrel kill. paraphrased

"its still alive son, put a bullet thru his eye. (a .22) its wrong to allow any of God's creatures to suffer. He gave us the animals to use for our survival and its just as wrong to kill them just to kill them. always use as much of the animal as you can. it gave its life so you can eat supper...show the animals the proper respect."

ive carried this with me all my life and of course have passed this down to the next generation. and yhea, the voodoo doll works... why ya think i did it?
aside from the obvious anger and disgust at the behavior of this person im equally bewildered by the "lowly doe" comment. i find female deer to be more tender and better tasting than an old buck and besides, i really dont think you can eat the antlers. leave them in the woods for the other critters to gnaw on. i do have one non-typical skull i kept... the rest returned back to the woods. im not saying i wouldnt keep the skull of a monster buck, just that im just as happy with a big fat doe. groceries is groceries.

[H2O Mellon]

Here in Ohio people over a certain age (18 or 21, or something like that) do not have to take a hunter safety corse to get their license. This was a real shame, we're not talking about shooting a deer 10 minutes before legal shooting time or 10 minutes after legal shooting time we are talking about an evil act, at least I think it was an evil act. As the Ohio law states, he should have immeidately tagged this deer (yes, he should have put one more slug in her or cut her throat.) I am assuming since this sounds to be a less than dedicated hunter, he was probally using Remmingotn Slugger slub or something like that. $2 for 5 shells. For less than 50 cents he could have saved a lot of needless suffering.

We have tons of HUNTER like this, but also tons of FISHERMEN too. Sort of like the guys that throw carp on the side of the banks, becasue "they are just carp" and how about this, I am sure it will hit home to lots of cat guys.... How about the guys that do the cruel things to Gar? Like tying pop cans in their mouths, or cutting their nose off, etc....Whats the differnce wheter its a deer or a gar? Some one s Cat guys will say that Gar are a nusiense, but I know lots of farmers that consider deer a nusiense.

[okiecop]

I have to agree with catcaller 100% . I also grew up in kansas and also learned everything about the outdoors from my grandfather. Hunting and fishing is a great privilage that should not be taken lightly by anyone. Granted it is great fun and a way for many of us to relax and get away from the hassles of everyday life.

As far as I am conserned anybody that lets an animal suffer needs to be shot themselves and told to survive in the woods til they either pass on or pull thru. once of this and they will rethink thier next shot real well before they take it if they can even stand the thought of hunting.

[SilverCross]

Yep, I agree with the other Borothers in here. He is not a sportsman by any means. I can't stand being around that kind of people. Dick

[tokie]

I think that the guy was an inexperinced hunter that knew know better. This year I shot a Doe at 80 yrds and hit her high in the spine she dropped like a leave. Buttt! She was dead and wasn't going to die so i shot her again. And might I remind you i shoot $3 a piece slugs. And thats not a box. lmao. So this just totally frustrates me. :cursing: :cursing:
Tayal

[centralcalcat]

People like you mentioned should not be hunting at all. I wounded a doe a few years ago. I made a shot with an arrow too far back and while hitting lung it was basiccly a gut shot. When I walked up on her she was still alive. Obviously all they did was cut her windpipe if she was making that noise. That is ridiculous. I cut that does throat and ended her quickly and easily within a matter of 10 seconds.

I also have a friend who accidently shot a yearling buck thinking he was a doe. When we got up on him he was leg shot and limping. It looked like a fawn, but even he ended it quick and easy, one bullet to the head.

THere is no excuse for leaving an animal lay wounded.

-Brian

[cats4uandme]

hey flathunter. thats a nice story. ide share it with the local conservation officer. JMO!!!!!!!!!!!

[David Knotts]

please tell me a hunting story, I broke my leg in 5 places and can't go yet, PLEASE HELP and MARRY CHRISTMAS

[DRC]

i'm no hunter by any stretch due to ignorance while being a teen
ive hunted deer,rabbit,squirrel,and coon a time or two.
ive been around a few mountain men from the hills in arkansas
that were mostly of the same sentiment in believeing that
they would rather hunt out of season to avoid idiots hunting
dureing season.

i'm trying to say that it takes more than a gun and camo to be a true hunter
and this guy that was described here sounds like the whitetrash idiot
that plagues these sports .
unfortunatly these types have been around forever.

there seems to be no shortage of jerks with guns that will kill a deer field dress
the hams and head and leave the rotting carcass behind.



and they all have their own reasoning.
i know a few guys that say they go hunting a couple actually do bring deer home the others seem to use this time as an excuse for a getaway
and as long as they arent armed and intoxicated i guess they aint hurtin anyone other than themselves.
but i wouldnt want to be in the same set of woods with alcohol juiced
hunters:eek:

[Rainman4u2]

People like that shoudn't be allowed hunting licenses for the rest of his life. What a JERKY!!!

Ray

[cats4uandme]

ide rather be in the same stand with an alcohol juiced hunter than 5 miles away from a scumbag that does that to a doe. JMO. here drunk or not we kill it we eat it. creuilty to animals i don't tolerate. kill it or walk away. ive punched fellas in the face for kicking cats. they thought it was funny till they got hit in the kisser. imo cruelity to animals is non negotiaciable.

[cats4uandme]

I’m going to assume that everyone here would be under assumption that even under ideal circumstances things can go wrong. In these times even the most level headed person can make very bad choices. Sense we are human and nobody is perfect it’s hard to judge someone’s character by someone else’s words on the internet. I’m just going to say I hope this person learned from his mistake. A deer in distress sound is a god awful sound that you tend to remember it. At least the guy went back and did the right thing in the end and cut its throat. But for everyone saying that the guy should lose his hunting license well this is America and people are entitled to be idiots. If that was not the case you would see half as many people driving to work every day.

well i don't want to make an enemy here but i don't give a mouses butt how stupid a fella is and how much they paid the state to hunt or kill a deer. there are laws. leaving an animal to suffer from a leg wound and assuming the story is 100% true not only should he loose his hunting privlidges he should be fined extensivly. this kind of behavior is un becoming to a true sportsman.

just because he paid to shoot a deer in any country doesnt make the excuse he is entitled to be an idiot. he is a sick individule that derserves punishment for his cruel and unusual punishment. we don't allow murderes to suffer so why the hell should we allow wildlife to suffer. im done. hes a sick fella and very distant form his inner feelings of moral rights.

if my buddie is drunk and i hunt with him and he shoots me its an accident. what these fellas did was on pourpose. i could forgive a buddie for shooting me. not what they did. they are about the same rank as terrorists. i wouldn't wish suffering on my worst enemy. they are not right in the skull.

sorry but i do not feel this was right reguardless of the reason. this was plain and simple cruelty. you will go to jail for the same treatment to a dog. JMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and ya all can say a million more posts dissagreeing with me. my thoughts will remain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cats4uandme]

in dewitt county here in illinois in dewitt county i guarentee if officer joe ---------- caught you leaving the scene of a downed deer in this condition you would be in for a hefty fine. there seems to be only one voice in oppisition to this case. the rest feel as i do. sick and cruel. a human being can live 2-3 days after a gut shot. usually the infection or internal bleeding that kills them. now a deer or man could live weeks on a leg would if they couldn't get to the er. well deer don't have that option. the guy ate breakfast waiting for a doe to die of a leg wound. hell he could have ate 5 meals waiting on that. and slit its throat and that was the right thing in the end.

[SIZE=7]NO. he should wasted the slug immed apon finding it.!!!!!![/SIZE=7]

[center12]

Buy the POS an extra slug so he can do the right thing next time............there will be a next time, once scum always scum :mad:

[DRC]

jerm you may have took me wrong or not , but i dont condone what this guy did
at all after reading my post i see i was in a hurry when i posted (frenquently)
and i didnt elaborate enough to get my point out there clearer.

the cruel act he commited is below the unethical practice of killng for a rack
or some preferred cut of meat.

some will kill ,cut the hams off and if asked about the rest of the deer they say that animals gotta eat too or some other excuse.

the alcohol juiced reference i'm sure hit a nerve with some and maybe it should.
accidents happen while sober .

cops carry guns . would you be concerned if they walked around half stewed
with a loaded firearm?

do you drink and drive? why not?
is it because the law was made to crimp your style?
or was it made because being drunk impairs your judgement?
if i'm sitting there on the bank catfishin i will periodically bring a couple
cold ones mixed in with the sodas and may or may not drink them both .
i 'm not condemning anyone for drinkin a beer or smokin the weed
but damn man do that stuff when you aint packing a loaded firearm
thats JMO
i wouldnt want to be the figment of an impaired hunter's imagination
while he loaded and thinks he sees a deer and its actually me or you or one of our kids that happen to be in their range.

[Cheryl]

Yes, I consider it unethical and downright ignorant! Hunting is not for me but I went as a child with my Father and learned enough to know better than what he did to that poor deer.

[Catcaller]

Yes, I consider it unethical and downright ignorant! Hunting is not for me but I went as a child with my Father and learned enough to know better than what he did to that poor deer.

It's ok to not like hunting...it's not for everybody. For me it's always been more about the spirit of the hunt...witnessing fall sunrises and sunsets...waching a well trained bird dog do his thing...calling a flock of reluctant mallards...being cold, wet, and miserable...but the dog won't quit...so you don't either. The kill is just part of it. The meat never goes to waste around my place. I have 4 girls and a son. They all at one time or another have reeled in a large catfish I hooked for them at age 4...or shot the squirrel or rabbit with the .410 while I held it. They all have helped me clean the animals we take. A couple could take or leave hunting...instead opting for the internet or hanging with their friends....the other three are gung ho about the outdoors. I just make an effort to show them...and if they are interested...then fine...you can go. But you don't have to....and I won't make you feel bad about it at all if you don't. The only thing I ask of them is that even if they don't care for hunting themselves...is just please don't openly oppose hunting. Show respect for your fellow outdoorsmen and women....and allow them to have the right to go if they wish.
Cheryl...at least you actually went hunting and formed an educated opinon. There are those who have never been hunting in their lives...yet they steadfastly and vehemently oppose it. All I'm saying is that todays hunters have enough enemies...we need more friends...or at least more that are neutral instead of opposed to it.
Honestly...if it weren't for watching my dogs work...I'd probably not bird hunt anymore. That, and educating and introducing my kids to the tradition of hunting is what's its all about to me.

[cats4uandme]

hey darrly. no i understand what ya ment. i wasn't meaning to sound like i was snapping either at you.

what i ment is, first let me say that alcohol and firearms DON'T MIX. i don't feel hunting while intoxicated is a wise choice. now a lil warmth in a flask don't hurt on cold winter days but don't over do it. lol.

what i ment was ide rather hunt with a buddie thats been drinking than near a fella whom has no more sense than this guy that did this. i got buddies that drunk have more sense than that. course there are fellas whom i trust after 10 and also the ones i wouldn't trust after 1, lmao.

no i just was trying to show how i was disgusted with the story and choices this guy made and id rather be no wheres near folks like him and would trust a juicer than someone with no morals. this fella sounds like one who wouldn't call help if he accidently shot ya.