Humane society trying to stop youth hunting

[flathunter]

I dont know if this has been talked about before..But I just heard on the radio where the humane society is trying to stop all hunting by youths under 16 years of age..If they succeed they will stop a whole generation from knowing the joy of hunting..I hope they lose!

[jason454ci]

Oh thats just plain crazy. What will the try next.

[H2O Mellon]

Bleeding Hearts........ :cursing:

I think we should pass a law that says people like that can't reproduce!

[badkarma]

I have a better idea lets have an open season on them.

[blackwaterkatz]

Humane Society...hmmm, is that one of those groups that supports groups that support euthanasia for the pet population when they can't find homes for them after a set length of time?
Maybe I'm wrong, or biased.

[Big Country01]

I dont know if this has been talked about before..But I just heard on the radio where the humane society is trying to stop all hunting by youths under 16 years of age..If they succeed they will stop a whole generation from knowing the joy of hunting..I hope they lose!


that dont sound like the humane society that sounds more like peta,they are the ones trying to make it hard on passing the outdoorsmanship down to our kids... :cursing:

[armynavy]

Can't wait to see how they would handle a grizzly bear population explosion or maybe a mountain lion invasion. Because I want to know how they will handle all these predators if we dont have a hunting season? Hope I live long enough to find out if they win.

[rednecksportsman511]

i agree with jfinch, sounds more like peta (people for the ethical treatment of animals) they've all got the wrong view of everything. down here, my backyard is oak mountain state park, and its overrun with deer, so last year and this year they opened bow hunting for a limited # of days and to limited # of hunters. petas been out there every morning. they dont understad that not shooting deer in overpopulated areas is cruelty. they also dont understand that you shouldnt anger ppl with weapons. lol

actually, ive had a bunch of experince with those kind. i volunteer at the birmingham zoo, and several months ago susie, an old asian elephant passed away. so mona, her companion elephant was left all alone. elephant are basically humans in different bodies, they feel the same emotions, have the same social capability, and the ability to move on from something (like a companions death.) Mona had lived at the zoo since she was a baby, it is her home now. She was rather upset when susie died, but was better and eating in a day or two. peta rallied for her to be moved many miles away to an elephant sanctuary in tennessee. three times, the police were needed to remove them from the elephant enclosure, b/c they werent allowed to protest inside the zoo by law, and second, they were disrupting other visitors.

it may sound like a good idea to have mona moved. but a former director of the sydney zoo in australia wrote an editorial in the paper (he now lives in birmingham.) he said he had the same situation when he was director, an old elephant loses a companion (mona is also old) and he decided to have her moved from her home of many many years to a sacntuary. but in the process of getting the elephant out of the exhibit and to her new "home," she died. it was simply too much stress for her old body to be moved from what she called her home. it would be no different with our elephant mona.

heres the crazy thing: one day while they were rallying in the parking lot (which they're allowed to do by law) they noticed a dog in a car. the owner nhad pulled up to the entrance to drop something off and would return quickly. the peta people broke into the car an let the dog run off. the owner returned seconds later, furious.

the peta ppl just dont understand, bunches of 'em are vegetarians too, not sayin anything bad about vegetarians, but these peta ppl just dont get it.

[Big Country01]

the peta ppl just dont understand, bunches of 'em are vegetarians too, not sayin anything bad about vegetarians, but these peta ppl just dont get it.
[/QUOTE]

all a vegetarian is , is an old indian word for bad hunter...lol....

[cats4uandme]

that will be the day. taking kids hunting has been around for generations and will, be around for generations to come. many folks know theres nothing better that your kids first deer squirll ect. taking kids hunting and fishing is an american tradition. i bet they do't go to far in this battle.

[hookeye]

You by em books and send em to school but they still end up being IGNORANT!!!

What will it take for these people to realize that nature requires balance. If not for the hunting population, the shear numbers of game that would evolve,would either starve to death due to lack of enough food to support their over population, or die from the increase of disease. I guess the amount of monies that you and I spend each year to get out in the field that pays for some of the conservation efforts of all game species mean nothing at all.

Hunting game is part of our American,(HUMAN), heritage, something that is passed down by generation after generation. To stop our youth from having this opportunity of the outdoor experience and the education that goes with it, is just plain insane. I wonder how many of these ignorant people actually fund the U.S. conservation service and in what way?

I'm sorry to go on and such but this subject really infuriates me! :cursing:

[flatheaddundee]

Folks that don't hunt or fish or trap have something wrong with them, it's a natural insticnt to hunt and kill, whether its a fish or animal. I cant stand peta people they dont even try to see it through our eyes. If you gave one a gun and let him bust a doe i bet you a bag of nickels he would have to lie to say it wasn't fun. Its just like armynavy said they wouldnt know what to do with a bad population explosion of animals, what would they do try and feed them tofue and talk things over, yea right them bears and cougars would make them supper and crap on there veggie specialties.

[quackkillsduxs]

i think we would all be better if they just do what they do and we do what we do! what do they do

[flatheaddundee]

Dang right! They do their thing and we do ours couldn't have said it better.

[quackkillsduxs]

the only thing that we are doing is balancing the population and therefor if they can succeed to take that away then theyre turning around and doing the same thing. someone needs to tell them that if the balance isnt kep then they will over populate following with disceases and starvation if you ask me i would rather be shot then starve to death

[cook]

that dont sound like the humane society that sounds more like peta,they are the ones trying to make it hard on passing the outdoorsmanship down to our kids... :cursing:
Naw,PETA would(and does)support a total ban for everyone.That would be a foot in the door for them,but they wouldn't be satisfied with that.

[ShilohRed]

Get a rope... Sounds like that bunch. They killed 46 dogs here a few weeks ago. Took them from a couple. Telling everyone that the dogs were about dead. but I know the person that had to kill them. and just about every one of them were in good health. Just needed TLC>>
PEte

[armynavy]

What I really want to know is if the government is really fighting terrorists then why is peta and organizations like them allowed to break into things, start riots, and other terroristic things that we wont even go into. Hmmm sounds fishy to me. P.E.T.A. (Protected Ethical Terrorist of America).

[cook]

What I really want to know is if the government is really fighting terrorists then why is peta and organizations like them allowed to break into things, start riots,
Uh,I don't think they are allowed to.If they do it,and are caught,they would be treated like anyone else.

[rednecksportsman511]

one interesting tidbit is that all the money sent in to conservation organizations like pheasants forever, ducks unlimited, and many others comes straight from purchases of hunting merchandise like mossy oak camo (look on the tag).

that, along with the money from purchasing liscenses more than triples the amount of money raised annualy by peta and non-hunting organiztions. us outdoorsmen are the ones saving the environment, not p.e.t.a.

[derbycitycatman]

I used to think the humane society was a great organization trying to find homes for animals and what not. A couple years ago I read some articles about who donated to peta, elf, and other organizations. Guess what, the humane society donates to peta. I wish I still had those articles to show what other organizations donated to who.

I cant see how the h. s. can look down on hunting when they kill dogs and cats. They can say they have to due to overpopulation, but the same is true for hunting. At least we eat what we kill.

[on_the_fly]

i havent heard that here, yet anyways. if people would mind their own, theyd probly find they didnt have time to mind mine. hunting an fishing i a way of life for me an my father an so on, my boy is 6 now an he injoys being able to do those things with me. an whos to say he cant but me an his mother. it might just be me but all the kid shootings i hear of are from familys with out this back ground, kids that were not brough up on the damage a wepon will realy do an the safty thats need to handle, insteed of movies were people get up an ( ACT ) hurt one min an running the next. i may be completly wrong but if someone doent like something an not even in nor around a situation they dont prefer why cant they just leave it alone. i dont drink but ya dont see me trying to close down the bars!

[Big Nick]

Well put redneck!
Little do they know that fishermen(or women), and hunters put more money into land conservation than any other entity out there. These people are just a bunch of carrott eating idiots that don't realize the good that we hunters and fishers do for the land we hunt. Now on the other hand, there are some times that things shouldn't be hunted or killed. Such as mountain lions in places where they are not abundant, or any animal in a place where they do not have a strong foothold in the environment. However, I bet every dang hunter and fisher on this site will agree with conservation when it is needed. There are times its needed, and times its not. These people don't see that. All they know is someone is killing a furry little animal and they don't like that, Well, BOO FREAKIN HOO. Its been going on since the begginning of time and will continue as long as hunters like us keep spending the money to conserve our great land.

I wonder what they think about hunters killing pigs? I know here in texas, and in many other areas around the U.S. feral pigs have become a huge problem for the natural environment. They mess up land that supports the animals that are native to that area. Are they against us killing them too? Or do they think we should just let them ruin our great land?

[bigfatcat]

im 13 now and ive been hunting with my dad from the day i turned 7

[H2O Mellon]

PETA has DEEP POCKETS guys, dont think for a second they don't.

They PAY, yes PAY people to be PROFESSIONAL PROTESTERS. Has anyone seen that article/show. I think it was a joint effort by the NRA & some other gun/fishing/outdoor groups. When 1 or 2 get arrested 3 or 4 step up to take their place, etc....

PETA has well thought out attack plans. They are out to stop & destroy our way of life. We can't afford to give them one inch. For every thing we give up in the way of hunting/fishing laws, it's a GIANT step for them. We can't just be moderatly agasint them, we have to be just as aggressive agasint them as they are agasint us. Right now they are involved in that "My Daddy is Killer" campaingn. (Shows dad as some lunatic physco killer fisherman) I will try to find a copy of a flyer & post it here.

Sorry if I sound evil, but I HATE PETA & everyone of their backers. :cursing: If we let up on them at all, our children and/or grandchildren won't be hunting, they'll be growing flowers & rather than eating meat they will be starving becasue all they can have is nut & berries!

[H2O Mellon]

Check this crap out: Quoted straight from one of their numerous webs ites.

What’s wrong with catch-and-release fishing?
Have you ever seen an injured dog who has been hit by a car or a cat who’s been seriously hurt in a fight? Unless they are treated by a veterinarian, these animals are likely to die from their injuries. Fish are no different: A hook through the mouth causes a serious and extremely painful injury that is often fatal without treatment. But anglers just toss injured fish back into the water—often without realizing what they’ve done.

In addition to the wounds that are caused by the hook, fish released after being caught can suffer from loss of their protective scale coating, dangerous build-up of lactic acid in their muscles, oxygen depletion, and damage to their delicate fins and mouths. Upon being returned to the water, these fish are easy targets for predators and other fishers. Researchers at the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation found that as many as 43 percent of fish released after being caught died within six days. Catching fish is cruel and unnecessary, whether they are killed on the spot or thrown back into the water, injured and exhausted.

[flatheaddundee]

Aight now I'm with you all those Peta mother#&$&@#$ need to get find somethin else to do besides piss us off!! :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

[H2O Mellon]

Today, hunting, which was a crucial part of survival 100,000 years ago, is nothing more than a violent form of recreation

Sorry Jack, didnt meant to hjack your thread, but PETA got me ticked!

[flatheaddundee]

Dont think i care too much for peta either think ill start the O.A.P (outdoorsmen against peta)

[H2O Mellon]

List of "Stars" that Support the Humaine Society of the United States, plus their second, third, etc.. group in "( )"

* Maria Conchita Alonso
* Bea Arthur (Halt Hog Factories)
* Ed Asner (Providing for Your Pet's Future)
* Alec Baldwin (Choosing A Humane Diet, Halt Hog Factories)
* Ed Begley, Jr. (Animals In Research, Halt Hog Factories)
* Shari Belafonte (Fur Free Century)
* Jessica Biel (First Strike)
* Elayne Boosler (First Strike, Fur Free Century)
* Berk Breathed (Fur Free Holidays, Karakul Lamb)
* Ron Burns (Artist in Residence)
* Dixie Carter (Fur Free Century)
* Mary Chapin Carpenter (Fur Free Century)
* James Cromwell (Halt Hog Factories)
* Jenna Elfman (Fur Free Holidays, Pets For Life)
* Mike Farrell (Animals In Research, Karakul Lamb)
* David Foley (Fur Free Holidays)
* Sara Gilbert (Animals In Research)
* Bill Goldberg (Animal Fighting, Farm Animals, First Strike)
* Whoopi Goldberg (First Strike)
* Cathy Guisewite (Karakul Lamb)
* Steve Guttenberg (First Strike)
* Anne Heche (Fur Free Holidays)
* Tippi Hedren (First Strike, Fur Free Century, Halt Hog Factories, Karakul Lamb)
* Anjelica Huston (narrated public service announcement)
* Kevin James (Fur Free Holidays)
* Diane Keaton (Fur Free Holidays)
* Vicki Lewis (Fur Free Holidays)
* Ali MacGraw (Equine Issues, First Strike, Karakul Lamb)
* Bill Maher (First Strike, Fur Free Holidays, Spay/Neuter)
* Dave Matthews (First Strike, Fur Free Holidays, Halt Hog Factories)
* Peter and Mary Max (Halt Hog Factories)
* Rue McClanahan (Animals In Research, Equine Issues, First Strike)
* Patrick McDonnell (Fur Free Century, National Animal Shelter Appreciation Week)
* Mandy Moore (First Strike)
* Mary Tyler Moore (Animals In Research, Equine Issues, First Strike, Karakul Lamb)
* Frankie Muniz (First Strike)
* Kevin Nealon (Animals In Research, Fur Free Century)
* Alexandra Paul (Halt Hog Factories, Karakul Lamb)
* Victoria Principal (Animals In Research)
* Leah Remini (Fur Free Holidays)
* Christina Ricci (First Strike)
* Ally Sheedy (Halt Hog Factories)
* Alicia Silverstone (Fur Free Holidays)
* Britney Spears (Fur Free Century, First Strike)
* Jerry Stiller (Fur Free Holidays)
* Maura Tierney (Fur Free Holidays)
* Joan Van Ark (Fur Free Century)
* Betty White (Fur Free Holidays, First Strike)
* Montel Williams (Disaster, First Strike, Safe Cats)
* Robin Williams (Tuna/Dolphin)

[rednecksportsman511]

after reading those articles, im with dundee. peta is a threat problem to our way of life and as Americans we have a right to defend it. I think I'll open a new thread in World Dicsussion.

btw, i bet the fish in the oklahoma study were:
a:already sick
or
b: peta killed 'em like all those healthy dogs

[coalminer78]

I think its unreal. We raise animals to kill and eat, but hunting them is not. At least they have a chance when you hunt them.

[brad kilpatrick]

good stuff, check it out!

[H2O Mellon]

Thats GREAT! I love it.

[okiecop]

Here is my take on peta and the rest of the frigging tree hugging crowd that don't want anybody hunting or fishing. I think that we donate all of them to local law enforcment department's to be used as bullet catchers behind the targets. It wouldn't take but about 6 months and the entire lot of them would be gone.

and remember y'all save the plants eat more meat.lol

[olefin]

List of "Stars" that Support the Humaine Society of the United States, plus their second, third, etc.. group in "( )"


Good post!

I'd bet those same "squirrels" also support Gun Control and don't support our military.

[webster_catman]

hey you guys i think we should start our own peta but instead ours will stand for "people eating tasty animals" that would probably blow their minds

[flannelman]

y dont we just call the humaine society wat it really is...a group of new age hippies. there is aboslutly nothing wrong with kids learning how to hunt and fish. our forefathers did it and there was nothing wrong with it then. alls i know is that if they are ever lost in the wilderness with nothing but the cloths on their back, they will wish they had people like us to help them survive. if there is ever a disaster and all of modern day technology was wipped out and we were forced into more primitive times, they will be the first to die and we will live on.

[centralcalcat]

Here is my view on all this:

I grew up doing nothing but hunting and fishing. Several of my friends did not. Many of my friends who did not follow my trail down to the lakes and creeks ended up drinking and doing drugs. SOme of those friends graduated many did not. Those who did graduate, most did nothing after high school. Instead of drinking and partying I fished and I hunted. I never got into trouble and did what I needed to do.

Now in CA, I find that most kids do not fish and hunt. Teen age pregnancy, drug use, and gangs take that spot. Kids need a healthy hobby growing up. I will be the first to admit not all kids enjoy fishing and not all hunting. But those are two options to keep their minds and bodies busy. WHy take away perfectly healthy hobbies for our youthes?

What is next Boy/girl Scouts? THey promote hunting and fishing so does that mean that the Humane SOciety and PETA will lobby against them to take that away form our childeren too?

I think it is all stupid, we live in a free country and all they are trying to do is take away teh rights of the people. In addition take away many of our youthes lively hoods.

-Brian

[Aquacat]

what will they think of next! I know, no one can have a dog that barks! Cause it mite offend someone who eats dog somewhere over in asia!

[Environmentor]

Hey all, I am a new member. However, with other fishing chats (like AOL) they look at my name "Environmentor" and start booing/ignoring/heckling/yelling at me; however, me being an environmentalist/conservationist doesn't make me PETA. (However, no one here has assumed that yet, probably because of my picture above.) I know most of us (outdoorsmen/women) are environmentalists (too some degree) because we support clean waters for our fish and forests for our deer and etc. and are humane and are against needless cruelty. Of course we all recognize fishing/hunting as not being needless nor cruel. First, fishing is not cruel because sensory in the mouth does not measure pain reception like in humans, as most of us know. Secondly, it is not needless. Many people owe their whole lives to outdoor recreation, for example me - The only reason I became an environmentalist and biologist and stayed away from drugs and gangs is because I was so interested in fishing as a kid. I wanted to become an icthyologist or marine biologist as a kid. I graduated summa cum laude w/ 4.0 G.P.A with my biology degree because I fished. So, fishing made me who I am!
However PETA is an extremist organization (all extremist organizations are inherently evil; wether it is GreenPeace, ELF, ALF, PETA, or Al Queda [sic]). The government does not listen to these organizations (and the government need to be reminded to not listen to these organizations through petitions/etc.); rather, organizations like GreenPeace and P.E.T.A. rely on trying to gain public support. However, as long as we (anglers) do more to influence the public, we win (so please take somebody fishing - like an adult or kid, someone who has never done it before). They will find it to be fun, and will see there is nothing wrong with it (and hopefully recognize P.E.T.A. as the ignorant extremist organization that it is).
Also, as many of you have pointed out - outdoorsmen/women (through taxes on our gear) are responsible for much of the preservation and creation of new parks, lakes, wetlands, etc. Outdoorsmen/women do more for the environment than most organizations, even the "goo" environmental/conservation groups. The government recognizes this (and needs to be reminded of this on occassion if they atttempt to ignore outdoorsmen/women). You have also pointed out "thinning out" type hunting, as in deer lotteries and etc. Apparently P.E.T.A. would rather these animals naturally starve to death (talk about cruel) then for someone to end their life suddenly with a bullet/arrow (and eat the deer, rather than let it rot in the field like some P.E.T.A. people would rather see).
Finally, the government does recognize some organizations as terrorist groups like ALF (Animal Liberation Front) or ELF (Earth Liberation Front) who break numerous laws and commit arson as an act of humanity (does anybody see the irony); however, as far as I know PETA is still considered "peaceful". For everyones sake, if a PETA member assaults you or damages your equipment call the police and make sure that the officer includes their affiliation with PETA in the police report (I know they have thrown rocks at anglers, and damaged equipment and etc.) I don't know about you all, but I fear for my life when I am out fishing (Hint! Hint!) and I think the government should step in before some P.E.T.A. person kills some angler because he "abused a fish". Hopefully one day the government will recognize P.E.T.A. as a terrorist organization as they do with A.L.F. and E.L.F.
So, with all this being said, the government must recognize PETA as the evil intenty that it is. No government should ever create a law just to please PETA. Constituency lies with outdoorsmen, so always vote for what you believe, and fight, FIGHT, FIGHT!!!! for your right to fish and hunt.
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